North Eastern Usa and Canada

> is it worth ... [visiting] Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, Pittsburgh

Those cities aren't big tourist destinations. Certainly each one has
some nice attractions (museums, etc), but unless there's something
specific you're really anxious to see there, I'd suggest spending your
time elsewhere.

On 17 Feb, 22:39, "Keith Willshaw" <keithnos...@> wrote:

> > Boston is too much?
> > New York 7 days
> > Philadelphia 2
> > Boston 4
> > Montreal 5
> > Quebec 3
> > Ottawa 2 ?
> > Toronto 3
> > Niagara Falls
> > -flight- (from Buffalo)
> > Chicago 4
> > -flight-
> > Washington 3-4 ?
>
> The route is a bit odd, Philadelphia is south of NYC

because of flying from Chicago to Was DC is cheaaper than fly to
Philadelphia, than
Philadelphia seems easier by bus from Ny than from DC. Even if then I
have to do Ph-Ny-Boston

> > 2-eventually, is it worth to see any city between Chicago and
> > Washington, as Detroit,Columbus, Cleveland, Pittsburgh or others?
>
> If you were passing through then the Henry Ford museum in Detrot is
> worth a look but I wouldnt make a special trip
>
> > 3-Because now I need to book the flight to and from Chicago I have as
> > big doubt:
> > from Buffalo is cheaper than from Toronto: 111$ last flight at7.45 pm
>
> > Is it better to arrive to Buffalo the day before, sleep there (I hoppe
> > there i san hostel) also to see the falls in the night
> > or to leave from Toronto early in the morning at 6.45am, arrivino to
> > Niagara Falls 8.15am?
> > I read on old posts that it takes more than hour from Niagara to
> > Buffalo airport ( bus#40 till Buffalo trasportation center then #240,
> > even if I can't understand the time schedule su
>
> Stay in Niagara. There is no compelling reason to visit Bufalo
>
What do you think about seeing the falls in the night; is it worth it
to stay a day more? If not, I could arrive at Niagara at abou7
9.30-10.00 am and leave again in the late afternoon to Chicago.

On 17 Feb, 19:22, Smiles <smile_inspec...@m> wrote:
> What do you want to see and do
>
> I take it you are landing in New York can not say about stay in NY or
> Boston without knowing what you are looking forward
>
> from Boston I know its a year of celebration in Quebec city 3 days might
> be too long, Montreal is defiantly to long less to see than Quebec City
> Ottawa is good for 5 days Toronto is ok you can add a day
>
> Niagara Falls good to arrive in morning leave same day BUT best time to
> see falls is at sundown
>
> why go out of the way to Chicago?

because I have a lot of day! anyway I'd spend 210$ to fly there and
then to Washington. Isn't worth it?

>
> see Philadelphia when you go to Washington which is a 5 day visit
>
> without knowing what you see or do these are my opinion

I'm 28yo, I like to visit cities walking on the streets (even if I
know spaces are bigger than European cities,so it's harder) to know
places, to breath the place air: I tkink this kind of approach takes
at least one week for each city. I like to see monuments, big
architectures, big squares and the city atmospheare I like sometimes
to visit museums, but not many in few days and they are often so
bigger that they take at least one day, and I become bored because I
need time to enjoy them.

"max11" <eagles1929@> schrieb

> What do you think about seeing the falls in the night; is it worth it
> to stay a day more?

I wouldn't bother. They look *very* artificial with the illumination.
But that's just my personal taste. Others like it that way.

My idea of the falls in the night:
Pitch black night, standing next to the edge and just hearing, feeling
them. Eerie!

Jochen from Germany

On 19 Feb, 07:26, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> "Max":
>
> >>>> New York 7 days
> >>>> Philadelphia 2
> >>>> Boston 4
> >>>> Montreal 5
>
> Mark Brader:
>
> >> I would do all of this part by train, and for the trip to Montreal,
> >> I would returning to NYC for an overnight stop and going to Montreal
> >> from there. The railway follows the Hudson River valley pretty much
> >> all the way to Albany, and this is scenery you can't easily see by
> >> road. For the second half of the trip there is more scenery with the
> >> Adirondacks and Lake Champlain.
>
> "Max":
>
> > SO do you mean all this part: Ny to PH and BO and then from NY to MO?
>
> Yes. By the way, these abbreviations are not usual and would be
> confusing without context.
>
> > How much is better doing by train instead of by bus. Beacause with the
> > second option is much cheaper (69$ from Boston to Montreal) and I
> > must not go back to NY
>
> (I guess you mean "I don't need to go back". "I must not go back" means
> it is not possible for you to go back. Negations of expressions with
> different parts can be tricky!)
>
> I made that recommendation because (1) trains are more comfortable than
> buses, (2) on the Philadelphia - New York - Boston route the train is
> faster, and (3) the train running north from New York shows you scenery
> you won't see from a bus. However, I don't know about prices.

I consider your advices!
I'm thinking that it would be worth it to visit the parks,little
cities, villages, nature between and around Quebec and Toronto instead
of visiting only big cities and metropolis (I'm thinking to drop
Chicago and have more days; also I would have not to book flights and
I will be more free: I could do Buffalo-Philadelphia-washington by
bus).
But I think moving without a car is much more difficoult so I could:
a)could I rent a smart? I can't find it!
b) It will take more time, but i'll travel by bus or train hoping
thaose place are served by pubblic transport or organized bus tour,
being some tourist I think! Do you know about public transport and bus
tour?
c)I could join to some cars with people I will met in hostels.

What do you think about?

"Ed Treijs" <etreijs@europa.algorithmics.com> schrieb

> Smarts are premium-priced cars in Canada. Look to rent a "subcompact".
> This will be comething like a Toyota Yaris, Nissan Versa, etc.

Right.
You definitely wouldn't want a smart for long distances. As nice as they
are in city traffic, at highway speed they aren't:
- Because they are so short they are very susceptible to side winds, on
a windy day you have a hard time keeping them on your lane
- Highway speed means pushing those tiny engines to the limit. The
fuel economy is worse than with any standard subcompact under those
conditions - and the tank is very small so you'd have to stop at every
fuel station on the way. And it gets noisy at that speed.
- No cruise control

I rented a Smart once for a longer journey in Germany, just for the fun
of it... In a way it *is* fun on the Autobahn, but... never again.
Downtown: Anytime! It's hard *not* to find a tiny space to park
that thing, albeit at 90° angle to the curb because it's not longer than
other cars are wide ;-)

Jochen from Germany

On 20 Feb, 18:14, etre...@europa.algorithmics.com (Ed Treijs) wrote:
> In article <d3b5f4c8-d220-46f5-9c2a-f79def651...@p43g2000hsc..com>,
>
> max11 <eagles1...@> wrote:
> >I consider your advices!
> >I'm thinking that it would be worth it to visit the parks,little
> >cities, villages, nature between and around Quebec and Toronto instead
> >of visiting only big cities and metropolis (I'm thinking to drop
> >Chicago and have more days; also I would have not to book flights and
> >I will be more free: I could do Buffalo-Philadelphia-washington by
> >bus).
>
> Yes, the countryside and nature parks will be nice in May. (But late May the
> black flies can come out.)
>
> Yes, a car is most convenient to do this. Beware that travelling from Quebec
> to Toronto and visiting a few parks will be over 1000km. You really want
> unlimited kilometres allowed, or a high number.
>
> As I have a car, I have not tried taking buses to small towns or parks. Except
> for Victoria Day long weekend (May 17-19) it is still too early for much
> vacation service to "cottage country".
>
> >But I think moving without a car is much more difficoult so I could:
> >a)could I rent a smart? I can't find it!
>
> Smarts are premium-priced cars in Canada. Look to rent a "subcompact". This
> will be comething like a Toyota Yaris, Nissan Versa, etc. You may get a larger
> car for the same price anyway. With a lot of travel outside of the city, it
> will not cost that much more for fuel.
>
> >b) It will take more time, but i'll travel by bus or train hoping
> >thaose place are served by pubblic transport or organized bus tour,
> >being some tourist I think! Do you know about public transport and bus
> >tour?
>
> You can search, but I am not aware of any regular tours, especially in May.
> ("Vacation season" is usually July and August.)

I could ask to the hostels!
>
> >c)I could join to some cars with people I will met in hostels.
>
> In hostels and other places where there are budget travellers, there is often a
> notice board with rides offered by people who are going places and want to share
> cost and often the driving. I have offered rides a few times. The problem is
> that you do not know what will be available until you are at the hostel or other
> place that has these notices. So you can not make definite plans, and you must
> be quite flexible with your times--people offering a ride will usually leave on
> their schedule, not yours.

I haven't thought to this!

However, the advantage is that you will be going
> with someone who knows local conditions and driving laws (you hope!).

I hope too

> If you are thinking of actually renting a car with other travellers, again
> you have to find the right travellers! And the decision making may be tricky;
> at least if someone is offering a ride they know where they are going so there is less question about where and when to go.

I don't know if this is better or not!

Thanks a lot

Why not avoid flying to Chicago and instead get a 30 day Canada/US rail
pass. The train does run overnight from Buffalo to Chicago.