PADI Adventure Diver? Adventure Dives

"John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
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> What makes a Padi adventure diver?
>
> afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep and
nav
> is an "Advanced Diver"

No, it does not make you an 'Advanced Diver' - it makes you an 'Advanced
Open Water' diver which is effectively a fancy term for 'Entry Level Diver
with a few more skills under his belt'. Do not let the 'Advanced' tag go to
your head - with an AOW ticket, you are definately *NOT* an Advanced Diver!
Personally I've always found it rather jarring that PADI insist on using the
word 'Advanced' so early on in a diver's career - it's just asking for
trouble! As an instructor friend of mine used to say, the most dangerous
diver is a recently certified Advanced Open Water diver - that 'A' word
often goes to their heads!!!!!

> Assuming you dont do a course for all dives, can you have the dives
"signed
> off" individually and build up to the cert?

I see no reason why the three dives couldn't be signed off by three
different instructors but bear in mind the instructor that signs off your
third dive will effectively become your 'certifying instructor' (ie. it's
his name that appears on your cert card!), so he'll be keen to ensure that
the first two dives were completed to a required standard.

> If so what do you need to get a dive classed as an "adventure dive" - Do
you
> need an instructor or will a DM do? I assume that there is a knowledge
> review in the manual to fill in to (but no theory)

No, a DM cannot sign you off for an 'adventure dive' - this can only be done
by an accompanying instructor once you've a) completed the relevant
knowledge review in the PADI Adventures in Diving manual and b) completed
the dive to the instructor's satisfaction. When you say there's 'no theory',
there is - it's just home study rather than lecture-based theory you will
have had to sit through on your OW.

> Once you have all your dives signed off can you then apply to padi for the
> cert? or would this need to be done by an instructor what you complete
your
> last dive?

Once again, you cannot apply to PADI for a certification unless an
instructor has signed you off. Without an instructor's signature (and even
then, the instructor must be a current PADI member with an active teaching
status), your PIC card will not be accepted.

> Any idea how much padi registration costs (in £ or USD)

Well the PIC itself doesn't cost that much - about £15, as I remember. This
is just a materials charge, though, as the instructor will obviously want to
be paid for their time!

"John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
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> > "John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
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> > > What makes a Padi adventure diver?
> > >
> > > afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep
and
> > nav
> > > is an "Advanced Diver"
> >
> > No, it does not make you an 'Advanced Diver' - it makes you an 'Advanced
> > Open Water' diver which is effectively a fancy term for 'Entry Level
Diver
> > with a few more skills under his belt'.
>
> Sorry about not making this clear - totally agree that an OW who has
> completed AOW is by no means Advanced - really the term "adventure diver"
is
> better, as am AOW could be someone with as little as 9 dives. (ps I am a
> PADI RD myself)

Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word 'advanced'
shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all! ;-)

> Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
> Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word
'advanced'
> shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
> would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all! ;-)
>
well all my friends who don't dive seem impressed when I tell them I am an
Advanced Diver. Its a shame I then have to tell them that Advanced is really
an entry level certification. I think changing the name to something other
than Advanced
would make the accident rate fall. I meet so many Advanced divers who are
not.

I just went diving in Sydney with weedy sea dragons. Before the dive the
guide asked
some one if he was ok with the dive. he said "Yes ive done a fair few dives"
pushed a little further
he admitted to only 19 dives. We dived in a group of four the guide and
this diver , Karen and myself
Karen who is usually has a good sac ran low on air enough for the guide to
change the buddy pairs and
surface with Karen. Leaving me with a young 19 dive diver who I did not
know. We only buddied for
another ten mins or so. Knowing he only had 19 dives behind him did change
the way I treated my buddy
but He was fine "Well nothing went wrong". The point I was trying to make
Knowing how many dives he had done
was better than Knowing his qualification.

Regards David

"david" <im@fedup.com> wrote in message
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> Knowing how many dives he had done
> was better than Knowing his qualification.
I am not neccessarily dissagreeing with you but how many dives constitute
an"advanced diver"
or conversely what kind of experience?? I still prefer the old OWII and then
advanced but that
still ment that you had a very limited amount of dives and experience to be
labeled "advanced"
2c worth
Richard
> Regards David
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> > Knowing how many dives he had done
> > was better than Knowing his qualification.
> I am not neccessarily dissagreeing with you but how many dives constitute
> an"advanced diver"

i think that is the point the name advanced dive does not match the
card

>
> The term Advanced Diver in its own right means nothing. The fact of the
> matter is that the certification we are discussing is "Advanced OPEN WATER
> Diver" - that is an Open Water Diver with more training and supervised
> experience than a standard Open Water Diver. Nothing more, nothing less.
>

No... AOW does not mean more training. It should, but for the first
day of my AOW, I think I gave more instruction to the other 2 on the
course (who were on about dive 7, and in cold water for the first
time) than the instructor did.
They'd not even (by their own admission) read the relevant chapters in
the book.

All that having AOW seems to do is make it less of a legal risk for a
guide to take me on a >18m dive, and it gives evidence that I've
completed another 5 dives of about 20 min. each, unlike the other
dives in my log book which I could have made up.

I wasn't expecting to learn much from doing the AOW course, but I was
rather shocked that two divers who would have benefited from a days
intensive 1:1 training in bouyancy control were basically dragged
through the dives with no effort being made to either improve their
skills or discourage them from diving.

Sean

> > Could somebody please define "numptie" for me. Reading into the context
I
> > take it as being someone who is not very experienced.
>
> Ah, OK. Someone who is not very experienced would be described as a
> "newbie". A "numpty" will probably never get very experienced as his lack
> of commitment, lack of intellect, disregard for training, inability to
think
> for himself or any number of other numptyisms will either kill him or he
> will get bored because no-one will dive with him and give up the sport.
>

or they were taught OW by the same instructor who taught this AOW course
and they Knew no better. I was taught how to dive in my course then
I had to learn how to dive >>>>>>>>>>>>>