Greater Manchester TIF and Stockport

I just found the following in one of the booklets:

Planned Improvements:
• extending some Manchester to Hazel Grove trains to
New Mills Newtown to serve a park and ride facility;
• improving the train services for park and ride
passengers at Hazel Grove by stopping all Manchester to
Sheffield services there;
• platforms will be lengthened as appropriate;
• Bramhall and Woodsmoor stations will be improved;
• improvements to the transport interchange facilities
between the bus and rail stations in Stockport; and
• extra capacity to reduce overcrowding and enable more
people to use the service.

Stopping all Manchester to Sheffield trains at Hazel
Grove! What do we think of that idea? Does the DfT know
about it?

Charlie

Charlie Hulme wrote:

> • improvements to the transport interchange facilities between the bus
> and rail stations in Stockport;

The World's longest Stannah stairlift?

Cheers

mark-r

On Sep 29, 4:25 pm, Mark Robinson <m...@simsol.co.uk> wrote:
> Charlie Hulme wrote:
> > • improvements to the transport interchange facilities between the bus
> > and rail stations in Stockport;
>
> The World's longest Stannah stairlift?
>
> Cheers
>
> mark-r

I have long advocated an escalator and covered walkway but I suppose
the muggers and vandals would have a field day:-(
George

"Charlie Hulme" <info@davenportstation.org.uk> wrote in message
news:Zf6Ek.6579$%54.4263@newsfe28.ams2...
>I just found the following in one of the booklets:
>
> Planned Improvements:
> • extending some Manchester to Hazel Grove trains to New Mills Newtown to
> serve a park and ride facility;
> • improving the train services for park and ride passengers at Hazel Grove
> by stopping all Manchester to Sheffield services there;
> • platforms will be lengthened as appropriate;
> • Bramhall and Woodsmoor stations will be improved;
> • improvements to the transport interchange facilities between the bus and
> rail stations in Stockport; and
> • extra capacity to reduce overcrowding and enable more people to use the
> service.
>
> Stopping all Manchester to Sheffield trains at Hazel Grove! What do we
> think of that idea? Does the DfT know about it?
>
> Charlie

More important, even if DfT, TPE & EMT cooperate, how will they fit any more
passengers into trains that are already full ?

Bevan

"Charlie Hulme" <info@davenportstation.org.uk> wrote in message
news:Zf6Ek.6579$%54.4263@newsfe28.ams2...
>I just found the following in one of the booklets:
>
> Planned Improvements:
> . extending some Manchester to Hazel Grove trains to New Mills Newtown to
> serve a park and ride facility;
> . improving the train services for park and ride passengers at Hazel Grove
> by stopping all Manchester to Sheffield services there;
> . platforms will be lengthened as appropriate;
> . Bramhall and Woodsmoor stations will be improved;
> . improvements to the transport interchange facilities between the bus and
> rail stations in Stockport; and
> . extra capacity to reduce overcrowding and enable more people to use the
> service.
>
> Stopping all Manchester to Sheffield trains at Hazel Grove! What do we
> think of that idea? Does the DfT know about it?
>
I have always said that it would be a good idea to stop certain expresses at
Hazel Grove eastbound in the morning peak and westbound in the evening peak.
This would encourage Trans-Pennine rail travel. What we don't want is the
opposite and we certainly wouldn't want all trains stopping there.

Peter Fox

furnessvale wrote:

>
> I believe Newtown had signals in the past and I seem to recall a
> whitewashed patch on the bridge abutment as a backmarker to a long
> gone signal.
>
>

The signalbox stood on stilts above one of the goods
yard lines, against the goods shed that still exists in
commercial use. IIRC It closed soon after the end of
freight traffic on the line in 1965.

<Auld phart mode> Back in 1960 us schoolboys would help
the porter to shift the cardboard storage drums from
Bowaters factory that were being sent out as parcels by
passenger train.</APM>

Better Park and Ride facilities at New Mills, from
where cheap GMPTE season tickets are valid, would
damage the revenue of the rest of the line by
encouraging even more people to drive from Buxton. Not
such a good idea.

Charlie

On Oct 2, 9:03�am, Charlie Hulme <i...@davenportstation.org.uk> wrote:

> Better Park and Ride facilities at New Mills, from
> where cheap GMPTE season tickets are valid, would
> damage the revenue of the rest of the line by
> encouraging even more people to drive from Buxton. Not
> such a good idea.

I fully agree with you. A lot of people drive to Hazel Grove for park
and ride. I know several people who WALK from Furness Vale to Newtown
to catch the same train they could have got from FV simply because of
the massive price increase from Newtown to FV as you leave the PTE
supported area.

George

On Oct 2, 9:03 am, Charlie Hulme <i...@davenportstation.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Better Park and Ride facilities at New Mills, from
> where cheap GMPTE season tickets are valid, would
> damage the revenue of the rest of the line by
> encouraging even more people to drive from Buxton. Not
> such a good idea.
>
> Charlie

But the system already does encourage people to drive from Buxton
( and other places - this has beennoted in various RUS.The GMPTA
boundary is Mickey Mouse geography created in 1970 when the North
Western Road Car Company was spilt into SELNEC, Crosville and Trent.
All services operated by North Western from Stockport Depot then at
Charles Street and at Glossop were passed to SELNEC including the 28
from Stockport to Hayfield and the 94 from Stockport to Birch Vale.
The 27 service from Buxton to Stockport became part of Trent.
Macclesfield went to Crosville.So Debyshire was carved up with Glossop
and New Mills in and Whaley Bridge and Buxton out - no regard was
taken of natural travel to work areas.
It left the New Mills Newtown - Buxton rail service as an orphan with
a different less favourable fare structure for no good reason than
that the existing bus company routes did not match the local authority
boundaries. The same thing happened in Wigan where the Lancashire
United Bus Routes define the western boundary of the PTA . Appley
Bridge is part of West Lancashire not Wigan but is part of the GMPTA
area. In fact from Wigan to Appley Bridge GMPTA fares apply, From
Parbold to Bescar Lane, Northern Rail fares apply and from Meols Cop
to Southport Merseytravel sets the fares.
If the name of the game is get Motorists out of their cars then
realising that travel to work areas are not identical to historic
geographic boundaries or made up from territorial compromises when
lashing bus companies together is important. The elasticity of demand
would in the case of the Buxton line result in more passengers
travelling on the train should the fares and terms be harmonised with
the GMPTA as the differential in the economics of commuting by car to
Manchester in terms of both time and petrol is greater the further you
travel.

Mwmbwls wrote:

> Appley
> Bridge is part of West Lancashire not Wigan but is part of the GMPTA
> area.

Yes, but ... it is a (literal?) stone's throw from the
border with the majority of its passengers on the other
side in Shevington Vale.

On the other hand, New Mills Newtown has a chunk of
Cheshire, including Disley station, between it and
Greater Manchester, whilst New Mills Central has
another station in Derbyshire - Strines - between it
and the boundary. Glossop, Dinting and Hadfield are
will inside Derbyshire. I understand Derbyshire County
Council pay for the right for these places to be in the
GMPTE zone.

GMPTE day rangers are not valid at New Mills or Disley,
only 'County Cards' - according to some, only ones used
by residents of those places.

Charlie