"2/3 of rail traffic starts or finishes in London"

"Michael Bell" <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote
>
> By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
> cities. That's not the definition created by BR and its successors,
> they used "Inter-city" to mean "going to or from London" and
> "Cross-country" to mean anything else.
>
When BR eventually defined what they meant by InterCity (at Sectorisation)
it included InterCity CrossCountry (i.e. long distance services via
Birmingham New Street). The passenger Sectors were InterCity, Network
SouthEast, and Provincial Services.

Peter

John B wrote:
> On Aug 29, 8:03 am, Michael Bell <mich...@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>>By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
>>cities.
>
> [obDistrict Line from Embankment to Blackfriars]

I'd be somewhat reluctant to refer to Cambridge - Ely as "Intercity".

Robin

On 29 Aug, 16:57, "Peter Masson" <peter.mass...@> wrote:

> "Mizter T" <mizte...@> wrote
>
> > Might this 2/3 figure possibly include London Underground? If so, it's
> > perhaps worth bearing in mind that 3 million people travel on the
> > Underground network each weekday
>
> The number of passenger journeys on LUL and on NR are very similar, though
> of course the average length of journey is greater on NR, so passenger miles
> on NR are greater than on LUL. But I think the 2/3 figure is intended to
> refer just to journeys on National Rail. After all, a very high proportion
> of Network SouthEast journeys are for commuting into London, while a high
> proportion of InterCity journeys start or end in London.
>

I think you must be right, and the figure indeed just refers to
National Rail.

On 29 Aug, 16:49, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:

> On Aug 29, 8:03 am, Michael Bell <mich...@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
> > cities.
>
> [obDistrict Line from Embankment to Blackfriars]
>

I always like that one!

On Aug 29, 4:49 pm, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 8:03 am, Michael Bell <mich...@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
> > cities.
>
> [obDistrict Line from Embankment to Blackfriars]

lollers!

Or Central Line from St Paul's to Chancery Lane.

"Peter Masson" <peter.masson1@> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Bell" <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote
>>
>> By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
>> cities. That's not the definition created by BR and its successors,
>> they used "Inter-city" to mean "going to or from London" and
>> "Cross-country" to mean anything else.
>>
> When BR eventually defined what they meant by InterCity (at Sectorisation)
> it included InterCity CrossCountry (i.e. long distance services via
> Birmingham New Street). The passenger Sectors were InterCity, Network
> SouthEast, and Provincial Services.
>
Because IC had no subsidy, profitable services were IC and non-profitable
services (even if they were loco-hauled expresses which connected cities,
e.g. Liverpool- Newcastle) weren't.

Peter Fox

On 31 Aug, 13:15, Rupert Candy <urptheb...m> wrote:

> On Aug 29, 4:49 pm, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 29, 8:03 am, Michael Bell <mich...@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > By "inter-city" I would include Glasgow-Edinburgh: it goes between two
> > > cities.
>
> > [obDistrict Line from Embankment to Blackfriars]
>
> lollers!
>
> Or Central Line from St Paul's to Chancery Lane.

'fraid not - the London Borough of Camden gets in the way. Actually
it's a little more complex than that - the subway entrances to the
station on the north east and north west side of the junction (i.e. to
the north of High Holborn and Holborn [the road]) are in LB Camden,
whilst those on the south side of the road are in the City of London.
The official address of Chancery Lane station (specifically the
postcode) places it in LB Camden.

Meanwhile the next station westwards - Holborn - is indisputably in
the Borough of Camden. So, alas, the Central line doesn't offer the
same type of immediate non-stop inter-city journey that the
Metropolitan District Railway does. (Though I suppose it could, in the
unlikely situation that both Chancery Lane and Holborn were ever both
shut at the same time for improvement works.) You can however still
travel intercity directly between the Cities of London and Westminster
on a 'Heritage' Routemaster bus on the number 15.