Grand Union Bradford - Euston proposal

"Chris Tolley" <cjt.7@supanet.com> wrote
>
> In summary, the WCML is a 110mph railway, but Enhanced Permitted Speeds
> are available for tilting stock. 180s don't tilt, and neither does the
> IEP, so they are limited to 110.
>
AIUI the intention for the IEP is that the permitted speed (non-tilt) on the
fast lines between Euston and Hanslope will be increased to 125 mph where
possible. On this stretch tilt only gives a minute or two advantage. Further
north it would be much more difficult to increase the non-tilt speed above
110 mph, and tilt gives a much bigger advantage.

Peter

brian.nettlefold@********** wrote:

> Can someone please clear up the name of the company involved?
>
> The heading in this thread says : "Grand Union".
> The heading in the DfT letter says: "Grand Northern".
> The first paragraph of the letter says: "Great Northern Railway
> Company Ltd.".

I think I remember them announcing that 'Grand Union' (along with the
original top man) was being split off from 'Grand Central' to research
further opportunities. So Grand Northern will possibly be the intended
operating name, albeit we'll probably never see it...

Paul

The message <l3r1845h21i4aqfmjrdq97lhtjl772nj16@********>
from M Platting contains these words:

> I'm sure it is, but are there absolutely no 'positives' in trying to
> provide a servide from Bradford to Euston? I know a lot of people in
> Bradford and its environs who think there are.

> My point is that this report is entirely negative. And yet there are
> most certainly benefits.


The letter shows a timing of 220 minutes. Bradford Forster Square to
Kings Cross is 156 minutes on the direct service, 180ish minutes for
most services (and the direct service includes a fairly leisurely
reverse call at Leeds).

Who on earth wants to take an hour longer for the pleasure of going to
Euston??

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Colin

<trackmiles@***************> wrote in message
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> Finally (in this highlights package) - and in a way the best bit - DfT
> says it has spent billions making the WCML suitable for longer trains
> - 11-car Pendolinos and 12-car London Midland sets as this is the only
> way to increase capacity on an overcrowded railway - and is not
> impressed that GC wants paths for 5-car trains. (at effectively peak
> times - when cherry picking is best).
> Actually this is the best point DfT makes.
> Maybe it should have come back and said "come back with proposals for
> 12-coach trains and we'll withdraw the objections" ?

Best not mention the 5-car Voyagers that Virgin use out of Euston then?