Carlisle to London single?

Nick Pedley <nicholaspedley@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> If I buy an Advance Single Carlisle to London how much will I be charged
> for changing the date of travel? Does it matter how close to the travel
> date I will be?

You'd have to pay up to a tenner plus the difference in fares. If you were
close to the date that new ticket is likely to be considerably more
expensive, potentially more than an Saver ticket.

> How much of a fine would I get for travelling on the wrong day?

If you're not in a Penalty Fares zone, Standard Open Single to London - 126
quid! And on such a long journey you're highly likely to be caught. It'd
be cheaper to throw your AP ticket away and buy a new Saver single at 86.10.

> Are there any tricks I've overlooked in my search?

Virgin are doing 3, 7 or 9 pound print-your-own AP tickets from Manchester
to London so maybe buy a few of those speculatively. Then for
Carlisle-Manchester, instead of an Open Single (38.50) split that into
Carlisle-Preston (CDS 16.20) and Preston-Manchester (SDS 8.50), which you
can buy on the day. Your first train would have to stop at Preston and
change at Manchester onto your specified train to London.

Or, looking in August/September, there are some 17.50 AP tickets from
Carlisle-London in the evenings, so book two or three for days you might
travel and throw the others away?

Theo

On 12 Jul, 14:45, NM <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote:
> On 12 Jul, 14:41, "Nick Pedley"
>
>
>
> <nicholasped...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm planning to walk the 90 mile length of Hadrians Wall in September.
> > Starting in London I want to get to Newcastle and back from Carlisle.
> > I'm faced with two linked problems. Main issue is not knowing exactly how
> > long the walk will take me, be it 5 days or 9. I also want to keep my costs
> > low which kind of rules out Open Returns at £100 plus £18 for train from C
> > to N.

> Go by car or get a scooter, far cheaper and more reliable.

He want's to walk, so he'd have to drive to Carlisle, walk to
Newcastle, train back to Carlisle and then drive home. It's a 610 mile
round trip, which at 45mpg is £75 in petrol alone. Add the cost of the
Newcastle->Carlisle ticket, taxi, or whatever, and you're looking at
over £90 before wear and tear.

A Saver return from London to Carlisle is £87, and is valid out to
carlisle on a direct train (which is faster than the car too), and
valid back from Newcastle.

In message <0pqdnSgv3KtLMOXVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@pipex.net>, at 08:12:54 on
Sat, 12 Jul 2008, naked_draughtsman <usenet3@petereverett.co.uk>
remarked:

>It used to be that you could change the ticket (subject to availability)
>up to the booking deadline if you paid the admin fee - £10 I think.

It's extremely unlikely that there will be availability at the lower
prices. I don't know what the highest price are for AP singles on that
route, but EMT has jacked up the ones on my line to significantly *more*
than half a Saver Return!

>If you get to Carlisle in the afternoon you could take a chance and book
>the ticket when you get there for return the following day. There might
>not be any available though.

See above.

>Could you get a saver return to Newcastle, and a single from Carlisle to
>Newcastle when you finish? (I assume you'll manage the walk in a
>month!)

That would be my suggestion. (also try splitting the Saver at some
halfway stations to see if the price comes down).

> Is a saver to Carlisle valid via Newcastle?)

Dunno, but it's not out of the question.
--
Roland Perry

Either buy a Saver return to Newcastle, then when you've finished get
a single from Carlisle back to Newcastle.

It'll be fun retracing your steps in and hour and a half or so!

OR - can a routing guide expert tell us if a saver to (say) Hexham is
valid via both Carlisle and Newcastle

On 12 Jul, 16:18, Paul Weaver <use...@isorox.co.uk> wrote:
> On 12 Jul, 14:45, NM <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12 Jul, 14:41, "Nick Pedley"
>
> > <nicholasped...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I'm planning to walk the 90 mile length of Hadrians Wall in September..
> > > Starting in London I want to get to Newcastle and back from Carlisle.
> > > I'm faced with two linked problems. Main issue is not knowing exactly how
> > > long the walk will take me, be it 5 days or 9. I also want to keep my costs
> > > low which kind of rules out Open Returns at £100 plus £18 for train from C
> > > to N.
> > Go by car or get a scooter, far cheaper and more reliable.
>
> He want's to walk, so he'd have to drive to Carlisle, walk to
> Newcastle, train back to Carlisle and then drive home. It's a 610 mile
> round trip, which at 45mpg is £75 in petrol alone. Add the cost of the
> Newcastle->Carlisle ticket, taxi, or whatever, and you're looking at
> over £90 before wear and tear.
>
> A Saver return from London to Carlisle is £87, and is valid out to
> carlisle on a direct train (which is faster than the car too), and
> valid back from Newcastle.

I understand he wants to walk but I don't understand why a train has
to come in to the equation when there are various cheaper and more
reliable transport methods.

On Jul 12, 1:41 pm, "Nick Pedley"
<nicholasped...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm planning to walk the 90 mile length of Hadrians Wall in September.
> Starting in London I want to get to Newcastle and back from Carlisle.

OT I know but why are you going from Newcastle to Carlisle against the
likely prevailing wind? It can make quite a difference to your
enjoyment. I haven't done the Hadrian route but most people doing the
Coast to Coast walk for example do it West to East, not just because
of the chapter order in Wainwright's book

On 12 Jul, 22:32, NM <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote:
> On 12 Jul, 16:18, Paul Weaver <use...@isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12 Jul, 14:45, NM <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 12 Jul, 14:41, "Nick Pedley"
>
> > > <nicholasped...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I'm planning to walk the 90 mile length of Hadrians Wall in September.
> > > > Starting in London I want to get to Newcastle and back from Carlisle.
> > > > I'm faced with two linked problems. Main issue is not knowing exactly how
> > > > long the walk will take me, be it 5 days or 9. I also want to keep my costs
> > > > low which kind of rules out Open Returns at £100 plus £18 for train from C
> > > > to N.
> > > Go by car or get a scooter, far cheaper and more reliable.
>
> > He want's to walk, so he'd have to drive to Carlisle, walk to
> > Newcastle, train back to Carlisle and then drive home. It's a 610 mile
> > round trip, which at 45mpg is £75 in petrol alone. Add the cost of the
> > Newcastle->Carlisle ticket, taxi, or whatever, and you're looking at
> > over £90 before wear and tear.
>
> > A Saver return from London to Carlisle is £87, and is valid out to
> > carlisle on a direct train (which is faster than the car too), and
> > valid back from Newcastle.
>
> I understand he wants to walk but I don't understand why a train has
> to come in to the equation when there are various cheaper and more
> reliable transport methods.

Given the need for an "open jaw" return, which negates the use of solo
private transport, please tell me one which is cheaper and more
reliable. I suppose a coach may be, but then a coach is , give me
a train any day.

A car can be better than a train, but is more expensive, and having
said that I've just got a taxi back from London, which although was 5
minutes faster than my normal bike/train trip (no traffic at 5AM on
Sunday morning), it was impossible to do any work or read my book.

On 13 Jul, 13:57, Chris Tolley <cj...@supanet.com> wrote:

> No, there's slightly more humanity to him than that. Previous exchanges
> demonstrate he can write reasonably fluently, though he keeps on
> contradicting himself and forgetting things; he also repeatedly shows
> that he isn't yet past the developmental stage of thinking that the
> world revolves around him, that only his experience of the world counts
> for anything, and that a game is is only worth playing if he can set the
> rules up so as to guarantee him a win (he isn't very good at that,
> either).

He's a scouser!

Ian