Take care^H^H^H Photos when you travel by train.

In message <1c1gh0x5j9pi3.qlqjhulz7qix$.dlg@40tude.net>, at 06:56:50 on
Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Chris Tolley <cjt.7@supanet.com> remarked:
>On another visit a week later, another person (not immediately
>identifiable as official rail staff, though he seemed to be conversing
>with others who were) came up to me to ask if I had "permission to take
>pictures". His approach wasn't particularly friendly.

I was recently prevented from taking a photo of the M&S in the "Circle"
downstairs at St Pancras by a very officious M&S "security" person who
was lurking in the entrance obviously looking for trouble. The
conversation went on for some time, and someone who appeared to be his
boss turned up, with his coat on and obviously itching to go home.
Nevertheless the result was a stalemate on the basis of "we can stand
here arguing with you, longer than you can; and if you take a photo we
will have you arrested".

The original person was very intimidating, standing with his face
deliberately a couple of inches from mine, repeatedly demanding that I
show him ID and getting ever crosser when my only reply was to ask him
the same (which he refused to do, naturally). His boss seemed to
reluctantly agree that so far I had done nothing "wrong" and that I
didn't need to show ID, but clearly didn't want to undermine the first
chap by actually letting me take a photo.

The only reasons that they could provide for me not taking a photo of
the inside of their shop from the public concourse were:

(a) M&S "policy". Well, *my* policy is that I can. So that's a draw.

(b) Data protection - the photo would include people in the shop. Well,
the main point of me taking the photo was to show that there were
exactly *no* people in the shop. This line of argument seemed to go
over their heads (it would be nice to think their original problem
was wanting to stop an unflattering picture of an empty shop, but
I'm pretty sure they weren't thinking this through at all).

Having wandered off, I soon bumped into a passing BTP constable and
asked him if there was any prohibition as far as he was concerned with
photographing on the public concourse in that part of the station. And
his reply was along the lines of "of course not, why would there be". I
wish he'd come past the shop five minutes earlier, but it didn't seem
worth going back and restarting the argument, especially as the "boss"
would have gone by then.

Next, I went off to the 'other' M&S and saw a much friendlier looking
security guard and as an experiment asked him if I could take a photo of
the shop. He said "no", and claimed it was "because of industrial
espionage" (he seemed serious). I suspect Tesco and Sainsbury already
know what the inside of an M&S shop looks like...
--
Roland Perry

Chris Tolley wrote:

> Liverpool Lime Street (upstairs, mid June) awful.

Your sorry tals make me wonder whether there is
something happening (or not happening) at Liverpool LS
that the station staff don't want recorded.

Charlie

On 2008-07-08, Charlie Hulme wrote:

> Chris Tolley wrote:
>
>> Liverpool Lime Street (upstairs, mid June) awful.
>
> Your sorry tals make me wonder whether there is
> something happening (or not happening) at Liverpool LS
> that the station staff don't want recorded.

As "they" always say, "If you have nothing to hide...."

Today at 07:56, Chris Tolley wrote:
> Liverpool Lime Street (upstairs, mid June) awful.

I'm going through there tomorrow. Perhaps I'll take a few pictures out of
spite.

--
Kirk

In message <xae8x3hzz3yu$.h9skwtpaesqa$.dlg@40tude.net>, at 23:58:21 on
Tue, 8 Jul 2008, WZR <invalid@invalid.com> remarked:
>since the "St. Pancras Terrorist" appears to have been a Mr
>Perry.

St Pancras *spy*, please!

The BTP told me it was OK, and M&S later said it was industrial
espionage that they were concerned about.

><Deayton>
>The phrase "do try to keep up" springs immediately to mind.
></Deayton>

Ditto :)
--
Roland Perry

Neil Williams wrote:
> A train with a door off the platform happened to me a few weeks ago...
> thought it best not to record that as I imagine a few people already
> got into trouble for it.

I too have seen this at Lime Street, and the front of the train was
beyond the signal as well. The method for dealing with this seemed to
involve the driver standing on the platform until he got the road and
then climbing in and setting off. Is that the correct procedure?

An adjacent platform was empty throughout the time the train was there
so there was no discernable reason for stacking the too-long trains on
top of each other.

Phil

On 9 Jul, 08:22, WZR <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:29:35 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
> > In message <xae8x3hzz3yu$.h9skwtpaesqa$....@40tude.net>, at 23:58:21 on
> > Tue, 8 Jul 2008, WZR <inva...@invalid.com> remarked:
> >>since the "St. Pancras Terrorist" appears to have been a Mr
> >>Perry.
>
> > St Pancras *spy*, please!
>
> Of course, sorry Roland!
>
> This is not just a spy, this is a fully-trained, camera-wielding, *Marks &
> Spencer* spy.

<goon show>
Aha! A Shepherd Spy!!
</goon show>

AE

In message <4uuc749n5kmqhe3jhk38tndn5q56cfj2b9@>, at 22:22:58 on
Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Tony Polson <docnews2011@> remarked:
>The children were well behaved and showed
>great respect. In spite of the comparative lack of noise they
>appeared to be really enjoying themselves. As I said, a revelation.

Did you try taking a photo to remind you of the occasion?
--
Roland Perry

On Jul 10, 2:32 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <4uuc749n5kmqhe3jhk38tndn5q56cfj...@>, at 22:22:58 on
> Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Tony Polson <docnews2...@> remarked:
>
> >The children were well behaved and showed
> >great respect.  In spite of the comparative lack of noise they
> >appeared to be really enjoying themselves.  As I said, a revelation.
>
> Did you try taking a photo to remind you of the occasion?

Wow, you think raising kids with some values might make a difference!
You think the Republic of Ireland might be onto something lost in the
UK?
You think!

In message
<c3dc7313-4285-4fd7-abe3-02f74fb4c55e@a70g2000hsh..com>, at
15:42:40 on Thu, 10 Jul 2008, 1506 <adrian_auerhudsonm>
remarked:
>On Jul 10, 2:32 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <4uuc749n5kmqhe3jhk38tndn5q56cfj...@>, at 22:22:58 on
>> Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Tony Polson <docnews2...@> remarked:
>>
>> >The children were well behaved and showed
>> >great respect.  In spite of the comparative lack of noise they
>> >appeared to be really enjoying themselves.  As I said, a revelation.
>>
>> Did you try taking a photo to remind you of the occasion?
>
>Wow, you think raising kids with some values might make a difference!
>You think the Republic of Ireland might be onto something lost in the
>UK?
>You think!

Can you see any criticism of the children in my posting? I can't.
--
Roland Perry