FCC evening peak restrictions (again)

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:36:22 GMT, "Peter Lawrence"
<pj.lawrence@idnet.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:02:16 +0100, Guy wrote:
>
>>
>>Slightly orthogonal to this topic I'd be interested in any expert
>>opinions on the Concessionary Travel Scheme operated by Bedford
>>Borough Council. The 2006 leaflet states that half fare off-peak
>>travel (after 10:00 am M-F) is available between Bedford & Elstree
>>and Borehamwood (and MML - now EMT - between Bedford and Luton/LAP).
>
>>It also says that if you wish to travel beyond Elstree & Borehamwood
>>you must buy a separate ticket for that part of the journey - they
>>give as an example between Elstree and London and that you can buy
>>both tickets at the station where you start your journey.
>>
>>However the 2008 leaflet does not go into this level of detail at all
>>merely showing a diagram of stations between Bedford and Elstree,
>>mentioning the 50% discount after 10:00 M-F and saying (as before)
>>subject to National Conditions of Carriage &c.
>
>I can answer for the Hertfordshire scheme which I believe is identical
>and unchanged since 2006
>
>>I assume that anyone holding a concessionary pass, wishing to travel
>>after 10:00 M-F to London and to avail themselves of the concession
>>between Bedford and Elstree, will need to split tickets at Elstree and
>>therefore travel on a service which calls at Elstree.
>
>Correct. St Albans do a good trade is such split tickets!
>
>>If one purchases a London Travelcard from Elstree (at Bedford ticket
>>office at the same time as a discounted Bedford-Elstree CDR) then is
>>one permitted to travel back from London to Elstree in the restricted
>>window of 16:00 and 1901? And if one exits the barrier at Elstree only
>>to immediately re-enter and board the next available northbound
>>service towards Bedford (using the separate return portion of the CDR)
>>is that legal?
>
>Yes. In fact just staying on the train is legal since you have two
>tickets. If you had one through ticket (which of couse is more
>expensive) actually breaking the journey may be necessary in theory.
>
>>FCC said that the main reason for introducing the evening peak
>>restrictions was to reduce overload on the outer suburban first stop
>>St Albans services. Travelling on a stopper from London to Elstree and
>>then another stopper to Luton would mean joining the outer FCC service
>>at Luton by which point many of its passengers would already have left
>>the train and it would not be overcrowded.
>>
>>I don't have a good grasp of all the complexities of today's ticketing
>>arrangements so would appreciate any replies to be in reasonably easy
>>to understand terms!
>
>It ios hard to see what FCC gain by applying their rules to the slow
>)all stations) trains since enforcement is difficult and does not seem
>to be attempted.
>>

Thanks for that Peter - very helpful information. Especially if you
are planning to leave London shortly before the start of the evening
peak period but your train is cancelled forcing you into the peak
window.

Guy

On Jul 6, 12:18 am, cameramas...@********** wrote:

>
> LondonTravelWatch declared that ...


But how strong is such a declaration by them ?

Does it over rule whatever a TOC thinks or can a TOC ignore them and
carry on regardless ?


--
Nick

On Jul 10, 1:46 pm, "David A Stocks" <dasto...@channel4.com> wrote:
> "Neil Williams" <wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:4871037b.773789123@news.individual.net...> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:19:05 +0100, Guy wrote:
>
> >>Thanks for that Peter - very helpful information. Especially if you
> >>are planning to leave London shortly before the start of the evening
> >>peak period but your train is cancelled forcing you into the peak
> >>window.
>
> > In such a situation I would be amazed if restrictions were not removed
> > for the next train.
>
> I think I would be amazed if they were ...
>
> D A Stocks

If the last train before the restrictions come in is cancelled, then
standard Sale of Goods Act consumer legislation would come into play,
i.e. right to insist on the service being provided.

On 11 Jul, 10:23, j...@************ wrote:

> If the last train before the restrictions come in is cancelled, then
> standard Sale of Goods Act consumer legislation would come into play,
> i.e. right to insist on the service being provided.

It is - just two hours later.

Which the Act doesn't cover....so legally, they can get away with it.

On Jul 11, 11:27 am, Chris <chrisjba...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 11 Jul, 10:23, j...@************ wrote:
>
> > If the last train before the restrictions come in is cancelled, then
> > standard Sale of Goods Act consumer legislation would come into play,
> > i.e. right to insist on the service being provided.
>
> It is - just two hours later.
>
> Which the Act doesn't cover....so legally, they can get away with it.

Isn't it nearer three (well, 2 hours 31 minutes)? In that case,
passengers' charter refund, for being delayed over 2 hours, 100%
refund I believe!