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Old 22nd June 2008, 03:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
Andrew Instone-Cowie
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Are all London Tube gate lines staffed? I (an adult with a ticket) shall
be travelling by Tube in the near future with my 10 year old, who
according to the TfL website will be entitled to free Tube travel
without ticket or photocard.

What happens at the automated barriers?

Andrew
 
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Old 23rd June 2008, 06:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:55:13 +0100, Andrew Instone-Cowie
> <address-not-read@datagram.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Are all London Tube gate lines staffed? I (an adult with a ticket) shall
>>be travelling by Tube in the near future with my 10 year old, who
>>according to the TfL website will be entitled to free Tube travel
>>without ticket or photocard.

>
> They should be (by law), though I once encountered one that for some
> reason wasn't, and ended up having to push through it[1] because my
> ticket (which was valid) wouldn't operate it and the staff call button
> I found was broken.
>
> [1] It isn't that difficult to barge them open.


The gates are designed with a break-through force low enough that if
there is a crush from behind, people will be pushed through the gates
rather than getting crushed against them. I've never actually tested
this facility, though.

Robin
 
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Old 24th June 2008, 09:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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On Jun 24, 1:58 pm, Neil Williams <pacer...@> wrote:
> Lüko Willms wrote:
> >   "gangs and general undesirables" can also buy tickets.

>
> But they usually won't.  It is amazing how much less vandalism occurs
> in a station toilet with a 20p charge for use (collected by an
> automatic turnstile, and not staffed any more than before) than the
> same one without a charge imposed.
>
> >   If you don't want them, change the society to one which does not
> > exacerbate social conflicts, but solves them.

>
> OK, if you believe you have a solution, please propose it.  Marks will
> be deducted for reference to any potential change to the make-up of
> the United Kingdom, or for incorrect references to those countries.
>
> Neil


I was wondering how much longer the staffing of all LU station could
continue at its present level when Boris Johnson has to find the money
for all those conductors on his new Routemasters.

Neill
 
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Old 24th June 2008, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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On 24 Jun, 14:29, Neillw001 <wormwood...@m> wrote:
> I was wondering how much longer the staffing of all LU station could
> continue at its present level when Boris Johnson has to find the money
> for all those conductors on his new Routemasters.
>
> Neill- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -


You can be sure that the unions will call a strike over any proposals
to cut staff levels....

 
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Old 24th June 2008, 01:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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On Jun 23, 11:49 pm, "Lüko Willms" <l.wil...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> Am Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:18:12 UTC,  schrieb David Hansen
> <SENDdavidNOhS...@spidacom.co.uk>  auf uk.railway :
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> > The barriers should be staffed at all times, or left open. However,
> > my infrequent journeys to London usually involve some luggage and I
> > have sometimes had to wait for a minute or two for a member of staff
> > to put in an appearance to let me in or out of the station.

>
>   Incredible! Isn't that a deprivation of liberty?


It's a deprivation of a lot more if someone unable to jump the barrier
to escape a fire or smoke has to wait a minute or two, not to mention
panicky crowds whose tickets won't be allowed back through the
barriers.
 
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Old 27th June 2008, 03:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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"Neil Williams" <wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
news:48653a0d.1321780@news....
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:01:13 +0100, Graeme Wall
> <Rail@greywall.> wrote:
>
>>What else is flammable down there?

>
> Not a fat lot, which was my point. Just the newspapers, any oil in
> the escalator and probably the paint, which would make for a very
> small and self-contained fire that wouldn't really be a hazard to
> anything.
>


Wasn't there an issue pre Kings Cross though, that some escalator machine
rooms had become used as general purpose stores, hence the storage licences
visibly displayed on access doors in the underground station areas nowadays?

Paul


 
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