Fun and games at Sheffield this autumn

The main line between Sheffield and Chesterfield will be closed from
8th September to 13th December, continuously, due to engineers working
on Bradway tunnel.

According to an AXC train manager I spoke to recently, half of their
services will run directly over the old road between Rotherham
Masborough and Chesterfield, avoiding Sheffield, and the other half
will run via Beighton Junction and Woodhouse, reversing at the north
end of Sheffield station. No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
services will also take the latter route.

The Sheffield - Manchester route is not affected.

The diversion between Sheffield and Chesterfield normally adds about
10 or 15 minutes to journey times.
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Mike

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"Mike Roebuck" <mike.roebuck@> wrote in message
news:jrgb2458ss370f203glj5uqflm9qs9cto9@...
> The main line between Sheffield and Chesterfield will be closed from
> 8th September to 13th December, continuously, due to engineers working
> on Bradway tunnel.
>
> According to an AXC train manager I spoke to recently, half of their
> services will run directly over the old road between Rotherham
> Masborough and Chesterfield, avoiding Sheffield, and the other half
> will run via Beighton Junction and Woodhouse, reversing at the north
> end of Sheffield station. No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
> services will also take the latter route.
>
No. Norwich services will terminate at Chesterfield and restart at Sheffield
for Liverpool.

Peter Fox

In message <4825c978$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, at 17:12:40 on
Sat, 10 May 2008, Peter Fox <peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> remarked:
>>No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
>> services will also take the latter route.
>>
>No. Norwich services will terminate at Chesterfield and restart at Sheffield
>for Liverpool.

And in between?
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Roland Perry

Mike Roebuck wrote:
> The main line between Sheffield and Chesterfield will be closed from
> 8th September to 13th December, continuously, due to engineers working
> on Bradway tunnel.
>
> According to an AXC train manager I spoke to recently, half of their
> services will run directly over the old road between Rotherham
> Masborough and Chesterfield, avoiding Sheffield, and the other half
> will run via Beighton Junction and Woodhouse, reversing at the north
> end of Sheffield station. No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
> services will also take the latter route.

The XC timetable for the blockade appears to have already been loaded
into DB.

Looking at direct services from Derby-York, it's showing

xx14 dep Derby
xx35 arr Chesterfield
xx41 dep Chesterfield
xx06 arr Sheffield
xx21 dep Sheffield
xx46 arr Wakefield Westgate
xx47 dep Wakefield Westgate
xx02 arr Leeds
xx05 dep Leeds
xx29 arr York

and

xx42 dep Derby
xx00 arr Chesterfield
xx01 dep Chesterfield
xx36 arr Sheffield
xx46 dep Sheffield
xx15 arr Doncaster
xx17 dep Doncaster
xx40 arr York

On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:12:40 +0100, "Peter Fox"
<peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Mike Roebuck" <mike.roebuck@> wrote in message
>news:jrgb2458ss370f203glj5uqflm9qs9cto9@.. .
>> The main line between Sheffield and Chesterfield will be closed from
>> 8th September to 13th December, continuously, due to engineers working
>> on Bradway tunnel.
>>
>> According to an AXC train manager I spoke to recently, half of their
>> services will run directly over the old road between Rotherham
>> Masborough and Chesterfield, avoiding Sheffield, and the other half
>> will run via Beighton Junction and Woodhouse, reversing at the north
>> end of Sheffield station. No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
>> services will also take the latter route.
>>
>No. Norwich services will terminate at Chesterfield and restart at Sheffield
>for Liverpool.

Thanks Peter. I hadn't picked up on that.

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Mike

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On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:49:14 +0100, Mark Morton
<mark@bustingmychops.com> wrote:

>Mike Roebuck wrote:
>> The main line between Sheffield and Chesterfield will be closed from
>> 8th September to 13th December, continuously, due to engineers working
>> on Bradway tunnel.
>>
>> According to an AXC train manager I spoke to recently, half of their
>> services will run directly over the old road between Rotherham
>> Masborough and Chesterfield, avoiding Sheffield, and the other half
>> will run via Beighton Junction and Woodhouse, reversing at the north
>> end of Sheffield station. No doubt EMT St. Pancras and Norwich
>> services will also take the latter route.
>
>The XC timetable for the blockade appears to have already been loaded
>into DB.
>
>Looking at direct services from Derby-York, it's showing
>
>xx14 dep Derby
>xx35 arr Chesterfield
>xx41 dep Chesterfield
>xx06 arr Sheffield
>xx21 dep Sheffield
>xx46 arr Wakefield Westgate
>xx47 dep Wakefield Westgate
>xx02 arr Leeds
>xx05 dep Leeds
>xx29 arr York
>
>and
>
>xx42 dep Derby
>xx00 arr Chesterfield
>xx01 dep Chesterfield
>xx36 arr Sheffield
>xx46 dep Sheffield
>xx15 arr Doncaster
>xx17 dep Doncaster
>xx40 arr York

Which seems to contradict what the AXC TM told me. If there is a lack
of paths at the north end of Sheffield station, as Peter Fox has
posted, then I think I prefer to believe the TM's version.
Incidentally, he said that the Newcastle starters/terminators would go
one way, and the Anglo-Scottish services the other, but I forget which
was which.

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Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:57:53 +0100, "Peter Fox"
<peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


>There is insufficient capacity at Sheffield North Junction.

Peter - is this what I would refer to as Nunnery Main Line Junction,
or has the station track layout remodelling produced a new named
Junction that I wasn't aware of?

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Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

"Mike Roebuck" <mike.roebuck@> wrote in message
news:m52g24pfkrtqtecbkrmlorr7gah8u60er4@...
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:57:53 +0100, "Peter Fox"
> <peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>There is insufficient capacity at Sheffield North Junction.
>
> Peter - is this what I would refer to as Nunnery Main Line Junction,
> or has the station track layout remodelling produced a new named
> Junction that I wasn't aware of?
>
> --
No. Sheffield North Junction is the points and crossings at the North end of
Sheffield Midland Station. A train might get past Nunnery but still not be
able to get into the station because of a conflicting move affecting the
platform that it is trying to access.

The old signalbox was known as Sheffield North Junction.

Peter Fox

On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:23:31 +0100, "Peter Fox"
<peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Mike Roebuck" <mike.roebuck@> wrote in message
>news:m52g24pfkrtqtecbkrmlorr7gah8u60er4@.. .
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:57:53 +0100, "Peter Fox"
>> <peterfoxdore@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is insufficient capacity at Sheffield North Junction.
>>
>> Peter - is this what I would refer to as Nunnery Main Line Junction,
>> or has the station track layout remodelling produced a new named
>> Junction that I wasn't aware of?
>>
>> --
>No. Sheffield North Junction is the points and crossings at the North end of
>Sheffield Midland Station. A train might get past Nunnery but still not be
>able to get into the station because of a conflicting move affecting the
>platform that it is trying to access.

Thanks, Peter. It was much easier (but less flexible) when the station
just had up and down sides, with, IIRC, only platform 5 being
signalled for reversible working.

>The old signalbox was known as Sheffield North Junction.

I'd forgotten that. (I can remember the box, though).
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Regards

Mike
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