The Kink in the Channel Tunnel Rail Link

[Roland Perry]

In message
<da61cbd1-3b0f-48f1-b575-1a87849084c6@m44g2000hsc.************.com>, at
01:56:26 on Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Mwmbwls <robertg.robinson@virgin.net>
remarked:
>there is surely a demand for a few more services that stop at Ashford,
>perhaps even Birmingham, Milton Keynes, Stratford, Ebbsfleet,
>Ashford,Calais, Lille and Brussels

No-one has ever had that idea before - you could call it "North of
London".

A Lille-Stratford shuttle that stopped at every intermediate station
sounds like a good idea, though. They have the security facilities, and
as long as a selection of both E* stopped at Lille, you could withdraw
the remaining E* stops.
--
Roland Perry

[Roland Perry]

In message <4e9d81844f.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk >, at
09:57:13 on Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
remarked:

>>>there is surely a demand for a few more services that stop at Ashford,
>>>perhaps even Birmingham, Milton Keynes, Stratford, Ebbsfleet,
>>>Ashford,Calais, Lille and Brussels
>
>> No-one has ever had that idea before - you could call it "North of
>> London".
>
>> A Lille-Stratford shuttle that stopped at every intermediate station
>> sounds like a good idea, though. They have the security facilities, and
>> as long as a selection of both E* stopped at Lille, you could withdraw
>> the remaining E* stops.
>
>You have heard of it before, but you didn't realise it.

Whoosh!

--
Roland Perry

[Peter Masson]

"Michael Bell" <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote
>
> Commuter traffic should do well. But maybe not enough not soon enough
> to make a difference.
>
Even that may take longer to build up than the government and Southeastern
seem to assume. There are no that many commuters from Ashford and further
east, although Ashford is expanding fast. And Kent commuters, used to
walking from Cannon Street and Charing Cross to their offices, will not
easily be seduced by fast trains to North London at much higher fares than
they are used to.

Peter

[Roland Perry]

In message
<a94c556a-c8b7-438e-bbfb-4138d9a673b3@c19g2000prf.************.com>, at
09:35:37 on Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Paul Oter <paul.oter@***************>
remarked:
>>And Kent commuters, used to
>> walking from Cannon Street and Charing Cross to their offices, will not
>> easily be seduced by fast trains to North London at much higher fares than
>> they are used to.
>>
>
>I keep hearing that, but in Cambridge we have a choice of a fast FCC
>service to King's Cross (0745 takes 60 mins in the morning peak) and a
>slower NXEA service to Liverpool Street (0751 takes about 75 mins in
>the peak). Commuters overwhelmingly choose the King's Cross trains.
>
>Admittedly the premium on buying an "any permitted" season over a
>"NXEA only" season is relatively small, but this does suggest that
>speed (or at least the perception of it), fewer stops and more
>comfortable trains will attract commuters.

A better example would be Peterborough, where the "FCC Only" fare is
significantly cheaper, but as far as I can see almost all the commuters
use NXEC.
--
Roland Perry

[Ar]

> The Rail Freight Groups newsletter raises concerns over the future
> management and ownership of HS1. Considering the protection and funding
> given to this project over the years and the aspiration for it to form a
> template for a High Speed Network for the rest of the country surely the
> infrastructure should now become part of Network Rail’s asset base as
> was always intended before Railtrack’s collapse?

Bring HS1 under control of government quango "Network Rail", great idea.
We'll all happily pay through the nose for the new incomprehensible fare
structures they would bring in, make sure the system creeks despite the
one lines under-usage, and turn the only semi-decent rail line in the UK
into another basket case - just like the rest of the network.

[Sky Rider]

Lüko Willms wrote:

> why don't they take a bus or the Underground?

Cannon Street and Charing Cross are located within the two primary
central business districts of Greater London (i.e. the City and the West
End), which happen to be where the vast majority of CS and CX pax work
(and are therefore within walking distance).

[Sky Rider]

Just noticed my point was already made by another poster. I imagine that
some pax might not want to have to spend more to make the transit
between their terminus and workplace (as they would have to do when
travelling to/from StP).

[Charles Ellson]

On 23 Mar 2008 16:54:56 GMT, Ar <Ar@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:56:26 -0700, Mwmbwls wrote:
>
>> The Rail Freight Groups newsletter raises concerns over the future
>> management and ownership of HS1. Considering the protection and funding
>> given to this project over the years and the aspiration for it to form a
>> template for a High Speed Network for the rest of the country surely the
>> infrastructure should now become part of Network Rail’s asset base as
>> was always intended before Railtrack’s collapse?
>
>Bring HS1 under control of government quango "Network Rail", great idea.
>We'll all happily pay through the nose for the new incomprehensible fare
>structures they would bring in,
>
What fares are available from Notwork Rail ATM ?

>make sure the system creeks despite the
>one lines under-usage, and turn the only semi-decent rail line in the UK
>into another basket case - just like the rest of the network.

[Peter Masson]

"Lüko Willms" <l.willms@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:czd2LKcn8EGd-pn2-dXNez6SHdFuP@lueko.willms.dialin.t-online.de...
> Am Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:33:45 UTC, schrieb "Peter Masson"
> <peter.masson1@************> auf uk.railway :
>
> > And Kent commuters, used to
> > walking from Cannon Street and Charing Cross to their offices,
>
> why don't they take a bus or the Underground?
>
Because many City offices are very close to Cannon Street, while there are
also many offices, e.g. the Whitehall government offices, very close to
Charing Cross. For these people taking a bus or the Underground would be
slower than walking, and if in future they take a fast train to St Pancras
the time taken on the Underground to transfer from there to where they work
would use up the time they would save using HS1.

Peter

[Paul Scott]

> On 23 Mar 2008 16:54:56 GMT, Ar <Ar@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:56:26 -0700, Mwmbwls wrote:
>>
>>> The Rail Freight Groups newsletter raises concerns over the future
>>> management and ownership of HS1. Considering the protection and funding
>>> given to this project over the years and the aspiration for it to form a
>>> template for a High Speed Network for the rest of the country surely the
>>> infrastructure should now become part of Network Rail's asset base as
>>> was always intended before Railtrack's collapse?
>>
>>Bring HS1 under control of government quango "Network Rail", great idea.
>>We'll all happily pay through the nose for the new incomprehensible fare
>>structures they would bring in,
>>
> What fares are available from Notwork Rail ATM ?
>

Yes - that rather undermined the intention of the previous post...

Paul