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Old 14th March 2008, 05:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In message <ZlyCj.19549$fx1.16540@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, at 17:12:25 on
Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jack Taylor <Jack@Carney.co.uk> remarked:
>> Leisure time is still worth something to people. I think a figure of
>> about £8 an hour is used as an average. Others may not have the
>> opportunity to "flex" their work, or book a new job interview (having
>> missed the first one when a train was delayed).

>
>Agreed. I don't deny that - I just think that it's an unquantifiable figure.
>To come up with any meaningful statistic you need to know the full details
>of each journey being made, the purpose and the flexibility of the
>traveller. Otherwise you may as well stick a finger in the air and guess a
>number, which is pretty much what they've done. There are the very good
>examples that you've given - but I tend to think that the majority of
>journeys (other than where exceptional delays occur) probably contain
>sufficient margin of recovery time not to count. For example, I think that
>most infrequent, leisure travellers allow enough connection time (due a
>natural fear of travelling) that a small delay can easily be absorbed - or
>services are sufficiently frequent that catching the next train does not
>cause great difficulties. Likewise, the majority of business travellers
>either allow a good margin for delays when making a business trip or are in
>a position to adjust their working day accordingly if a delay does occur.


I agree that the consequential "cost" of a delay starts escalating
rapidly after you are about half an hour late, and that less than that
may well be "absorbed". However, when calculating the delay on roads I
think they just add up all the minutes as if the first, second,
hundredth and hundred-and-first minutes are all equally valuable (at
about 13p a minute).
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Chris Tolley wrote:
> Paul Scott wrote:
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>> when I was at Southampton the other morning, the half hourly fast
>> trains to Waterloo were running about half an hour late, following a
>> XC tree strike.

>
> You'd think they'd allow for that on a trunk route...


.... but not on a branch line.
 
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Jack Taylor wrote:
> Chris Tolley wrote:
>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>
>>> when I was at Southampton the other morning, the half hourly fast
>>> trains to Waterloo were running about half an hour late, following a
>>> XC tree strike.

>> You'd think they'd allow for that on a trunk route...

>
> .... but not on a branch line.


What does the rooting guide say?

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"Arthur Figgis" <afiggis@example.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jack Taylor wrote:
>> Chris Tolley wrote:
>>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> when I was at Southampton the other morning, the half hourly fast
>>>> trains to Waterloo were running about half an hour late, following a
>>>> XC tree strike.
>>> You'd think they'd allow for that on a trunk route...

>>
>> .... but not on a branch line.

>
> What does the rooting guide say?
>


I had a quick dig around, but nothing came up...

Thanks all :-)

Paul
 
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Arthur Figgis wrote:
> Jack Taylor wrote:
>> Chris Tolley wrote:
>>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> when I was at Southampton the other morning, the half hourly fast
>>>> trains to Waterloo were running about half an hour late, following a
>>>> XC tree strike.
>>> You'd think they'd allow for that on a trunk route...

>>
>> .... but not on a branch line.

>
> What does the rooting guide say?


Probably that there are leaves on the line.

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