FGW timetable - Strange HST diagrams

The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
thought but it carries reservations!

Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
see this!

Cheers.

Mark B wrote:
> GreatWesternSean wrote:
> > The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
> > Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
> > a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
> > possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
> > Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
> > workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
> > Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
> > thought but it carries reservations!
> >
> > Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
> > see this!
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
> Have you checked the errata sheet on the FGW website?
>
> A few trains were missing their (A)'s and Camborne was mispelt :)

Yes i have, no mention of the above services as far as i can see!

"GreatWesternSean" <seanjosephkeating@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1166023823.684505.256450@73g2000cwn. ...
> The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
> Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
> a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
> possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
> Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
> workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
> Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
> thought but it carries reservations!
>
> Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
> see this!
>
> Cheers.
>

It's a long time ago, but I once caught a HST from Charlbury to Oxford -
back in the late 80's. It's a bit off my patch so I'm not sure if thats
unusual or if it was an everyday occurrence.

That was a cracking day out (I'd been for a job interview) Leeds-Brum HST,
Brum-Oxford Cl47+Mk2's, Oxford-Charlbury some non-descript 2-car DMU (sorry
I can't remember what now). Then the HST back to Oxford and a Cl47+Mk2's
direct back to Leeds.
Even though it was the bad old days of BR every train was on time too...

I guess the 1836 is a Turbo. It's taking over an hour to get to London
(from Oxford), which isn't 125mph timing, even in the evening. The
reservations symbols seem to be wrong (they seem missing from various
VT services too, but I don't think they're running anything other than
Voyagers).

The 2347 SuO service also looks Turbo to me. I guess the reservations
mistakes just haven't been picked up by FGW yet.

GreatWesternSean wrote:
> The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
> Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
> a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
> possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
> Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
> workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
> Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
> thought but it carries reservations!
>
> Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
> see this!
>
> Cheers.

Dave X wrote:
> "GreatWesternSean" <seanjosephkeating@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1166023823.684505.256450@73g2000cwn. ...
> > The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
> > Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
> > a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
> > possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
> > Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
> > workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
> > Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
> > thought but it carries reservations!
> >
> > Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
> > see this!
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
> It's a long time ago, but I once caught a HST from Charlbury to Oxford -
> back in the late 80's. It's a bit off my patch so I'm not sure if thats
> unusual or if it was an everyday occurrence.
>
> That was a cracking day out (I'd been for a job interview) Leeds-Brum HST,
> Brum-Oxford Cl47+Mk2's, Oxford-Charlbury some non-descript 2-car DMU (sorry
> I can't remember what now). Then the HST back to Oxford and a Cl47+Mk2's
> direct back to Leeds.
> Even though it was the bad old days of BR every train was on time too...

HST Charlbury to Oxford is still a regular occurance - two up trains in
the morning and two down in the evening on Hereford/London workings
Mon-Fri plus the odd w/e working as well.

<dtren@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dave X wrote:
>> "GreatWesternSean" <seanjosephkeating@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1166023823.684505.256450@73g2000cwn. ...
>> > The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
>> > Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
>> > a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
>> > possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
>> > Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
>> > workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
>> > Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
>> > thought but it carries reservations!
>> >
>> > Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
>> > see this!
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>>
>> It's a long time ago, but I once caught a HST from Charlbury to Oxford -
>> back in the late 80's. It's a bit off my patch so I'm not sure if thats
>> unusual or if it was an everyday occurrence.
>>
>> That was a cracking day out (I'd been for a job interview) Leeds-Brum
>> HST,
>> Brum-Oxford Cl47+Mk2's, Oxford-Charlbury some non-descript 2-car DMU
>> (sorry
>> I can't remember what now). Then the HST back to Oxford and a Cl47+Mk2's
>> direct back to Leeds.
>> Even though it was the bad old days of BR every train was on time too...
>
> HST Charlbury to Oxford is still a regular occurance - two up trains in
> the morning and two down in the evening on Hereford/London workings
> Mon-Fri plus the odd w/e working as well.
>
Until fGW took over all services. The Cotswold route from Oxford through to
Worcester/Great Malvern was woked mostly by Thames Trains (later FGWL)
Turbos. but a couple of services to Hereford were by fGW which were HST
formed.
Since the introduction of Adelante's to the Oxford service you are now more
likely so see Adelante's on this route. However since fGW are getting rid of
their Adelante fleet one presumes HST's will be regular stock on this route.
Last evening I travelled home to Oxford on a crowded Adelante service whose
ultimate destination was Hereford.

"GreatWesternSean" <seanjosephkeating@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1166023823.684505.256450@73g2000cwn. ...
> The 1836 MF Banbury to Paddington and the 2347 SO semi-fast Oxford to
> Paddington seem to be scheduled for HST's. The 1836 i would've assumed
> a '180' as the timings seem to fit, but there is no 'A' symbol. Is it
> possible that FGW have diagrammed the first HST since 2003 from
> Banbury? How does it get there? there are no northbound adelante or HST
> workings as far as Banbury. The 2347 is fast to Reading then Twyford,
> Maidenhead, Slough, Hayes, Southall, Ealing and Paddington, a turbo i
> thought but it carries reservations!
>
> Probably both mistakes, but a HST on a stopper to London? I've got to
> see this!
>
> Cheers.
>
There is a late evening Mon-Fri 2300 Stratford-upon-Avon to Oxford
In the old timetable this was the 2249 FX from Birmingham Snow Hill to
Oxford

This is the only service listed as operated by Chiltern Railway

I have not seen a balancing northbound working

asdf wrote:
>
> It's mainly there so that Chiltern drivers can retain their route
> knowledge to Oxford. (When there are engineering works between Kings
> Sutton and Princes Risborough, Chiltern services from Birmingham are
> diverted to Oxford for FGW connections to London.)

That's a secondary issue. One might argue that it's rather difficult to
gain/maintain route knowledge (other than signal spacing and station
locations) when the entire journey is made after dark on every night of the
year.