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Old 31st August 2006, 12:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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John B wrote:
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> So they're getting 24 3-car Electrostars for the North London Railway,
> replacing 23 3-car 313s and 3 3-car 508s? That's not much of a
> capacity upgrade - some might even call it the opposite.


That was my immediate thought. It's all very wooly and unclear. It certainly
looks as if it's replacement on like-for-like basis *unless* by North London
Railway they mean the North London Line (Richmond to Stratford) on its own,
releasing the current 313s to strengthen Euston to Watford and West London
Line services or increase frequency? One presumes that these new
Electrostars will be 376s with the AC commissioned.


 
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Old 31st August 2006, 01:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Jack Taylor" <Jack@Carney.co.uk> wrote in message
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> John B wrote:
> >
> > So they're getting 24 3-car Electrostars for the North London Railway,
> > replacing 23 3-car 313s and 3 3-car 508s? That's not much of a
> > capacity upgrade - some might even call it the opposite.

>
> That was my immediate thought. It's all very wooly and unclear. It

certainly
> looks as if it's replacement on like-for-like basis *unless* by North

London
> Railway they mean the North London Line (Richmond to Stratford) on its

own,
> releasing the current 313s to strengthen Euston to Watford and West London
> Line services or increase frequency? One presumes that these new
> Electrostars will be 376s with the AC commissioned.
>

Closure of Stratford to North Woolwich, pending transfer of Stratford -
Canning Town to DLR, and eventual transfer of Custom House - Silvertown to
Crossrail, will release one unit, and presumably better availability of new
units might squeeze another diagram. TfL also hope to extend the Barking -
Gospel Oak service to Clapham Junction, taking over the WLL, and this
implies acquiring a fleet of diesel units (as well as alterations at Gospel
Oak), unless TfL can get someone to pay for wiring Barking to Gospel Oak.
This could release two emu diagrams from the WLL. But the real need on the
NLL is for longer trains, and this requires platform lengthening, notably at
Willesden Junction HL. Options in the procurement from Bombardier presumably
allow for the NLL units to be extended to 4 car.

Peter


 
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Old 31st August 2006, 03:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Any idea if these trains will be air conditioned?

 
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