FCC peak hour restrictions - Economical with the truth

Roland Perry wrote:

> What's perhaps[1] new about the current round of restrictions is that
> FCC is introducing them as the *suburban* operator on the Bedford and
> Peterborough lines - where MLL and GNER have long had a restriction on
> the intercity trains.

It's not that new. Merseytravel always had a 1600-1800 peak
restriction on CDRs within their boundaries. It no longer applies to
the electric lines, but I think it remains on the City Lines, and it
still applies to Saveaway day tickets.

Neil

In message <1151665275.468552.274830@75g2000cwc.. com>, at
04:01:15 on Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Neil Williams <pacer142@>
remarked:
>> What's perhaps[1] new about the current round of restrictions is that
>> FCC is introducing them as the *suburban* operator on the Bedford and
>> Peterborough lines - where MLL and GNER have long had a restriction on
>> the intercity trains.
>
>It's not that new. Merseytravel always had a 1600-1800 peak
>restriction on CDRs within their boundaries. It no longer applies to
>the electric lines, but I think it remains on the City Lines, and it
>still applies to Saveaway day tickets.

Can those same journeys also be made by an Intercity operator (with a
relevantly valid ticket)? For example, is there an Intercity operator on
the Lime St-Wigan route, whose trains might be protected from
overloading by an evening peak period ban on savers?

[Anyway, I have to admit I was mainly referring to the old InterCity
lines radiating from London.]
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

> Can those same journeys also be made by an Intercity operator (with a
> relevantly valid ticket)? For example, is there an Intercity operator on
> the Lime St-Wigan route, whose trains might be protected from
> overloading by an evening peak period ban on savers?

Not any more, no; there was CrossCountry Express but only 2 trains a
day, and I don't think they were any more or less restricted than the
locals.

There is still an outward CT service calling at Hunts Cross in the
morning peak and return in the evening, but that doesn't typically
carry a lot of passengers from Liverpool to Hunts Cross or vice-versa,
as they'd use the electrics anyway.

Neil

Bob wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> ...Uncle Roger's criticism in this months "Modern Railways"
>
> Quote
> "Even more scandalous is the fact that for travellers on Thameslink a
> ban on off peak Travelcards could not be justified if the 319's
> currently in service with Southern were moved to Thameslink. Indeed
> this was the basis of FCC's proposal to add 10,000 seats to Thameslink
> Services............DfT Rail couldn't organise a cascade with two
> buckets and a drainpipe."
> Unquote


Simple question from a newcomer who's not been following all the
intricacies - the Thameslink route obviously needs the extra 319's
(watching the crush at Blackfriars would convince anyone of that!), but
what will Southern get to replace them?

Peter Masson wrote:
>>
> But to quote Uncle Roger, DfT Rail couldn't organise a cascade with
> two buckets of water and a drainpipe.

Is suspect that they probably think that 'cascade' is a charity event to
raise funds to send beer to Africa. ;-)