London Connections Map

asdf wrote:
> Other changes I've noticed:
>
> - New limited SET service between Elephant & Castle and Herne Hill
> - No more Thameslink blockade
> - Kilburn High Road is (at last) shown as being temporarily closed
> - Sudbury Hill Harrow is now shown as an interchange station with
> Sudbury Hill, and is no longer shown as a limited service station
> - New limited Southern service via Bookham

And the DLR extension to London City Airport is indicated using a
diagrammatical device I haven't seen used before - a branch off from
the existing line after Custom House with a pointing arrow to the east,
accompanied by an explanatory box stating the extension opens in
December 2005. I wonder why the map makers didn't use the usual
technique of adding the new route in an 'under construction' outline.

Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service'
station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange
station' symbol. A brief timetable check suggests it doesn't benefit
from anything more than a train an hour off-peak. I'm all for pointing
out the proximity of stations to one another on a map, but in this
instance it looks like the passenger both wins and loses in the battle
for gleaning useful travel information from this map.

Tom Anderson wrote:

> Okay, so maybe it's not 6 tph. It'd still be pretty decent for an NR line.

Actually, the frequency of trains *to a Central London terminus* at
many stations in my part of the world is at least as good as that. Off
peak, for example, Gipsy Hill has 4 tph to Victoria and 6tph to London
Bridge (4 via Tulse Hill and 4 via Forest Hill), which makes 10tph "to
London". The problem is that, unlike Tube lines with end to end
running, they don't serve the same intermediate stations. This is fine
if you just want to get into Zone 1 quickly, but if you need to get to
Clapham Junction the frequency suddenly drops to 4tph.

The service at North Dulwich and East Dulwich is far more 'tube-like',
at least in the northbound direction - all trains go to London Bridge,
calling at the same stations, and at regular 10 minute intervals. Which
makes it feel much more 'turn up and go', but is a real nuisance if you
want to go anywhere other than London Bridge!

This would be a major argument in favour of simplification (as
discussed somewhere else in this thread) - but I think most people who
actually use the services regularly get used to having to look at a
timetable, and appreciate the one-seat ride to either London Bridge or
Victoria/Blackfriars or Victoria/Cannon St or LB/Waterloo East/Charing
Cross.

Dave Arquati wrote:

> The ON map is very similar, just adding in the useful frequency element.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what's happening to the ON? The
website has never been updated, but I've noticed the orange and grey
information boards appearing at Tulse Hill and Gipsy Hill (albeit
without ON branding) and Brockley and New Cross Gate seem to have the
line diagrams (though I don't think they were on the original routes).

On 9 Jun 2005 05:24:24 -0700, "Rupert Candy" <urpthebarem>
wrote:

>Dave Arquati wrote:
>
>> The ON map is very similar, just adding in the useful frequency element.
>
>Speaking of which, does anyone know what's happening to the ON? The
>website has never been updated, but I've noticed the orange and grey
>information boards appearing at Tulse Hill and Gipsy Hill (albeit
>without ON branding) and Brockley and New Cross Gate seem to have the
>line diagrams (though I don't think they were on the original routes).

Orange/grey info boards and line diagrams on the platforms and
footbridge appeared at Honor Oak Park a few weeks ago.

It's a shame, because I think the Southern green/white is the best
mainline signage in my lifetime.

Most Mid-Kent line (Lewisham - Hayes) stations have now had most of the
work done. Lighting, CCTV, Help Points, better noticeboards, LUL style
line maps of the stops from each platform. New ticket machines are
being fitted this week.

I'm not totally convinced by the ON brand but it is certainly allowing
significant improvments to stations to take place. I guess once the
work is done, some publicity would be good to tempt casual users onto
trains for some local journeys.

regards
HN28

James Farrar wrote:

> It's a shame, because I think the Southern green/white is the best
> mainline signage in my lifetime.

That's true - though presumably the station names and 'general' signage
are still in the green and white (if they've been changed over yet)?
Gipsy Hill has the lovely new signs attached to the crumbling old
footbridge, where almost every step has now come loose...

On 10 Jun 2005 00:59:15 -0700, "Rupert Candy" <urpthebarem>
wrote:

>James Farrar wrote:
>
>> It's a shame, because I think the Southern green/white is the best
>> mainline signage in my lifetime.
>
>That's true - though presumably the station names and 'general' signage
>are still in the green and white (if they've been changed over yet)?

Yes, indeed. The grey just intrudes, IMO.

Hi,

In a recent thread, I mentioned my London Connections map. This is a
very useful piece of kit, but it's getting a little worn out, and it
doesn't have the dreaded zones shown on it.

Is there a map published (preferably free :=)) that has this detail,
and if so where can I pick one up?

zikkimalambo@connectfree.co.uk wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In a recent thread, I mentioned my London Connections map. This is a
> very useful piece of kit, but it's getting a little worn out, and it
> doesn't have the dreaded zones shown on it.
>
> Is there a map published (preferably free :=)) that has this detail,
> and if so where can I pick one up?

Stick "London Connections Map" into google, go to the second link (TfL
web page), bish bosh, Robert's you Mums brother

AE

<zikkimalambo@connectfree.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> In a recent thread, I mentioned my London Connections map. This is a
> very useful piece of kit, but it's getting a little worn out, and it
> doesn't have the dreaded zones shown on it.
>
> Is there a map published (preferably free :=)) that has this detail,
> and if so where can I pick one up?
>
There seems to be,or was, at least two versions of this map. I have a paper
copy of one with the various TOC routes in colour but no zones and there is
the PDF file mentioned in this thread which has tube lines in colour and the
zones. What I really want is TOC routes in colour with the zones. Anyone
seen one?

Ivor