Routes to Waterloo disappeared?

Iirc it used to be possible - quite a few years ago - to travel directly
from Brighton to Waterloo. It certainly isn't possible now.

Have any routes disappeared as a result of specific train companies having
unique access to certain stations?

Also, I noticed that Connex South Central Trains to Victoria use Portsmouth
Harbour Station. For how long has this been the case?

Gareth.

"AJ" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Iirc it used to be possible - quite a few years ago - to travel directly
> from Brighton to Waterloo. It certainly isn't possible now.
>
> Also, I noticed that Connex South Central Trains to Victoria use
Portsmouth
> Harbour Station. For how long has this been the case?
>
There's a through train *from* Waterloo *to* Brighton - 0835 SX (0833 in the
Winter timetable). This presumably leaves Waterloo as a 3x3-car 159. The
rear portion is detached at Basingstoke for Brighton, and the train splits
again at Exeter St Davids - centre portion from Waterloo leaves first and
runs to Plymouth, and front portion from Waterloo runs to Paignton.

AFAIAA most Victoria - Portsmouth trains have always used Portsmouth Harbour
station. It's some time since they were Connex South Central, as Connex lost
the South Central franchise a while ago, and are now about to be thrown off
South Eastern as well.

Peter

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:15:59 +0000 (UTC), AJ <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
>Iirc it used to be possible - quite a few years ago - to travel directly
>from Brighton to Waterloo. It certainly isn't possible now.
>

Well, there is a Waterloo - Brighton train on weekday mornings (leaves
at 7:12). It used to go to Southampton but from the start of the
summer timetable now goes to Brighton. No return trip as far as I know
though.

"AJ" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Iirc it used to be possible - quite a few years ago - to travel directly
> from Brighton to Waterloo. It certainly isn't possible now.
>

Easy nowadays - via the Eurostar connection from Nine Elms to Linford
Street, thence via Brixton, Herne Hill, Tulse Hill and then either
Streatham, Selhurst, East Croydon etc OR Crystal Palace, Norwood Junction,
East Croydon etc.

Years ago the route could have been - Waterloo, Wimbledon, Raynes Park,
Epsom, Leatherhead, Dorking, Horsham, Christs Hospital, Shoreham by Sea,
Brighton. The line from Itchingfield Jcn to Shoreham (17 miles) closed on
7th March 1966 to both passenger & goods traffic.

A really long time ago there was a connection from Waterloo Mainline to
Waterloo East - opened in 1864. I don't believe it ever had a passenger
service as all references I have found refer to it as a siding. It closed
with the rebuilding of Waterloo between 1900 & 1914. As this was
pre-grouping, I doubt there was ever a service.

I can think of no other way of doing it without reversals except via
Eastleigh - a very long way around

"AJ" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's possible to change at Clapham Junction but is it technically
impossible
> for a train to go straight through Clapham Junction from Waterloo?
>
You can't get from the Waterloo lines to the Brighton lines at Clapham
Junction. I believe a connection was put in at one stage, ostensibly for
trains to the Covent Garden market when it moved to Nine Elms, but never
actually used. You could devise a route which goes through Clapham Junction
twice, e.g. Waterloo - Wimbledon - Kingston - Richmond - Clapham Junction -
Culver Road Junction - Factory Junction - Herne Hill - Tulse Hill and then
down the Brighton line.

Peter

"Jonathan Condell" <jcondell@> wrote in message
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>
>
> A really long time ago there was a connection from Waterloo Mainline to
> Waterloo East - opened in 1864. I don't believe it ever had a passenger
> service as all references I have found refer to it as a siding. It closed
> with the rebuilding of Waterloo between 1900 & 1914. As this was
> pre-grouping, I doubt there was ever a service.
>
The only regular service to use this connection was operated by the London
and North Western Railway. Another source implies that it was a joint LNWR,
LSWR, SER service. It ran between July 1865 and December 1867 and originally
ran from Euston to London Bridge (via Willesden Junction and the West London
Line - it must have reversed at Willesden). From February 1867 it was
diverted to Cannon Street.
The service of 24 trains a day produced only £1800 revenue for the SER over
six months from April 1867, and of 325 trains run only 7 were on time. Locos
were changed at Willesden and Waterloo. The connection was also used from
time to time by Royal Trains from Windsor to the SER.

Peter