GNER Red doors

"Jack" <renegade@beeching.stormshadow.com> wrote in message
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> Best solution so far seems to be the Voyager one, with the diagonal
> stripes. Both adds to the "space age" look and makes the doors obvious
> at the same time.

My father is partially sighted. He's NEVER had any trouble finding the door
on a train. Quite frankly anyone who needs the door in a garish colour to be
able to locate it is in severe danger of falling off the edge of the
platform. I can obviously only speak as someone related to someone partially
sighted, but I defy anyone to show me the true realistic need to destroy
good looking liveries in this way. God damn disability legislation gone
crazy.

"Nick Hewitt" <nik.hewitt@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> "Scooby dooby" <dontcallme@homeillcallyou.com> wrote in message
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> > My father is partially sighted. He's NEVER had any trouble finding the
door
> > on a train. Quite frankly anyone who needs the door in a garish colour
to be
> > able to locate it is in severe danger of falling off the edge of the
> > platform. I can obviously only speak as someone related to someone
partially
> > sighted, but I defy anyone to show me the true realistic need to destroy
> > good looking liveries in this way. God damn disability legislation gone
> > crazy.
>
> I think you'll find that the doors have been painted bight red for
> GNER's benefit. It is only the HST sets that have got them, NOT the
> 225's OR the Eurostars.

WRONG!

> All the doors on HST's are slammers and can't
> be closed remotely. They can be locked & unlocked but that's as far as
> it goes. They are bright red so that as you look down the length of a
> platform, you can readily see if a door is open, as they're also
> painted bright red on the inside as well. The assistance that it MAY
> give for the partially sighted is an added bonus.

Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's to comply with the disability regs.

The bright yellow strips on the right angle of the doors on HSTs are there
to assist sighting of doors that are not properly closed, the coloured doors
are purely for the disability regs, hence being on the MKIV trailers and
373s now as well....

"Andrew Lait" <andrew@laits.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<bjjsq6$96n$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>...

> This whole legislation seems to be mad. As Scooby dooby has pointed out in
> his reply, anyone who needs these doors to find them is in danger on the
> platform.

And furthermore, I defy anyone to get on a Voyager or a Mk4 (or any
stock with swing-plug doors) through the door in the *open* position.
Now if the airspace in the doorway were painted different colour...

Regards

Jonathan

"David H Wild" <dhwild@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> It isn't mad. As has been pointed out before - many times - the
contrasting
> doors help partially sighted people to see where the doors are so that
they
> can walk towards them just as normally sighted people do. One partially
> sighted person may not need them, but I'm sure that a lot of others are
> helped.

I'd love to meet one, just one partially sighted human being that has
honestly found the change very useful. Hell, make that even mildy useful.
Because so far...... I haven't.

If it honestly really were highly useful and desirable, there would no doubt
be legislation passed for every emergency exit in every building, every
aeroplane, every bus etc., to be in a contrasting colour. But no. This is
the country that shows people running on fire fire/emergency exit signs. The
exact thing that people shouldn't (usually) do. Someone, somewhere, really
needs to get a grip.

In article <EGs7b.738$B55.220@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Scooby dooby
<dontcallme@homeillcallyou.com> wrote:
> > It isn't mad. As has been pointed out before - many times - the
> > contrasting doors help partially sighted people to see where the doors
> >are so that they can walk towards them just as normally sighted people
> >do. One partially sighted person may not need them, but I'm sure that a
> >lot of others are helped.

> I'd love to meet one, just one partially sighted human being that has
> honestly found the change very useful. Hell, make that even mildy
> useful. Because so far...... I haven't.

I have certainly met several people - including some fully sighted people -
who have found the contrasting colours useful.

> If it honestly really were highly useful and desirable, there would no
> doubt be legislation passed for every emergency exit in every building,
> every aeroplane, every bus etc., to be in a contrasting colour. But no.
> This is the country that shows people running on fire fire/emergency
> exit signs. The exact thing that people shouldn't (usually) do. Someone,
> somewhere, really needs to get a grip.

It isn't to do with safety, particularly; just that if people can see where
the doors are they can move to the right place easily.

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"Scooby dooby" <dontcallme@homeillcallyou.com> wrote in message
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> "David H Wild" <dhwild@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4c2f6401b7dhwild@argonet.co.uk...
>
> > It isn't mad. As has been pointed out before - many times - the
> contrasting
> > doors help partially sighted people to see where the doors are so that
> they
> > can walk towards them just as normally sighted people do. One partially
> > sighted person may not need them, but I'm sure that a lot of others are
> > helped.
>
> I'd love to meet one, just one partially sighted human being that has
> honestly found the change very useful. Hell, make that even mildy useful.
> Because so far...... I haven't.
>

Much as I dislike the aesthetics, I have to admit that I have met people who
appreciate the colour difference. Apparantly the colour difference assists
in depth perception where people have partial sight in both eyes or full
sight in only one eye. We used partially sighted volunteers to also test the
different finishes/colours applied to coach interiors. At my local station
there are two guide dog users who have partial vision and they much prefer
the new liveried FGW stock to the older green stock for that reason.

In article <pUnV$RsqikX$Ew5n@blackhole.firstnet.co.uk>, Jack
<renegade@beeching.stormshadow.com> writes
<snip>
>
>Note that all new town busses are now low-floor with bays for pushchairs
>and wheelchairs.

And as such they are not only easier for those with disabilities, but
also for those with lots of shopping / luggage.

<snip>


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