Penalty Fares on XC?

[collybs]

On Mar 6, 9:46*pm, Mr G <m...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I'm travelling to Leamington Spa in a couple of weeks. *There are no
> reasonable through advance tickets available but I have found a £15
> fare to New St. *Options from there are £6.80 SDS or £8.90 FDS. *If I
> waited until getting on the train to decide on first or standard,
> would I be ok paying on board or do XC have penalty fares?
>
> Plan B is to get the SDS in advance and excess on the train. *What are
> the chances of that working?

To travel on any train you must have a ticket unless there was no
opertunity to buy one at the start of your journey.

From the National Rail conditions of Carriage

2. Requirement to hold a ticket
Before you travel you must have a ticket or other authority to travel
which is valid
for the train(s) you intend to use and for the journey you intend to
make.

There are exceptions - but for a normal journey you should have a
ticket before travelling.

Peter

[Philip Hardy]

> I'm travelling to Leamington Spa in a couple of weeks. There are no
> reasonable through advance tickets available but I have found a £15
> fare to New St. Options from there are £6.80 SDS or £8.90 FDS. If I
> waited until getting on the train to decide on first or standard,
> would I be ok paying on board or do XC have penalty fares?

No. Regardless of penalty fares boarding a train with the intention to
travel at a station with available ticket buying facilities without a
valid ticket for travel is against the railway byelaws and the NCoC.

Philip

[Roland Perry]

In message <WI2dnbw9xqLw0inUnZ2dnUVZ8hqWnZ2d@bt.com>, at 23:06:48 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Peter Masson <peter.masson1@************> remarked:
>GatEx seems to be the only non-OA operator which is happy to sell all
>tickets on board without such caveats as 'full fares only'

I've never seen any arguments from the guard when selling tickets on the
ex-CT legs of EMT like Grantham-Nottingham. The route appears to operate
like a bus - get on and pay if/when the conductor comes round.
--
Roland Perry

[Philip Hardy]

> In message <WI2dnbw9xqLw0inUnZ2dnUVZ8hqWnZ2d@bt.com>, at 23:06:48 on
> Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Peter Masson <peter.masson1@************> remarked:
>> GatEx seems to be the only non-OA operator which is happy to sell all
>> tickets on board without such caveats as 'full fares only'
>
> I've never seen any arguments from the guard when selling tickets on the
> ex-CT legs of EMT like Grantham-Nottingham. The route appears to operate
> like a bus - get on and pay if/when the conductor comes round.

It's similar on Northern round East Yorkshire. Conductors are generally
happy to sell tickets on board. It's not Northern's policy though and
there posters on the trains clearly stating that you need to buy before
you board if possible.

[dtren-deja.com]

On Mar 9, 8:18*am, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <WI2dnbw9xqLw0inUnZ2dnUVZ8hqWn...@bt.com>, at 23:06:48 on
> Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Peter Masson <peter.mass...@************> remarked:
>
> >GatEx seems to be the only non-OA operator which is happy to sell all
> >tickets on board without such caveats as 'full fares only'
>
> I've never seen any arguments from the guard when selling tickets on the
> ex-CT legs of EMT like Grantham-Nottingham. The route appears to operate
> like a bus - get on and pay if/when the conductor comes round.
> --
> Roland Perry

That's because the stations are in the main unstaffed halts - no
ticket office, no machines, nothing

[Roland Perry]

In message
<de4c87ca-c967-47c0-b90f-5fee28dea18a@t3g2000yqa.************.com>, at
02:33:53 on Mon, 9 Mar 2009, dtren@my-deja.com remarked:
>> >GatEx seems to be the only non-OA operator which is happy to sell all
>> >tickets on board without such caveats as 'full fares only'
>>
>> I've never seen any arguments from the guard when selling tickets on the
>> ex-CT legs of EMT like Grantham-Nottingham. The route appears to operate
>> like a bus - get on and pay if/when the conductor comes round.
>
>That's because the stations are in the main unstaffed halts - no
>ticket office, no machines, nothing

Indeed so. Which somewhat widens the net beyond "GatEx only", don't you
agree?
--
Roland Perry

[Roland Perry]

In message <zcSdnbc4Ze83binUnZ2dnUVZ8s2WnZ2d@pipex.net>, at 10:50:01 on
Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Stevie Plunder
<stevie.plunder@xlkajsdklj.askldja.co.uk> remarked:
>>Regardless of penalty fares boarding a train with the intention to
>> travel at a station with available ticket buying facilities without a
>> valid ticket for travel is against the railway byelaws and the NCoC.
>
>What about buying a Permit to Travel?

A Permit to travel (where available) should be OK. But there's plenty of
scope for defining what "available" means.

While a queue significantly longer than the Passengers Charter dictates
is apparently no excuse, what if there's a ticket machine in "cash
only", "exact cash only" or "card only" mode, and the traveller can't
oblige?
--
Roland Perry

[Roland Perry]

In message <NRMkyNWVdPtJFAWV@perry.co.uk>, at 11:02:45 on Mon, 9 Mar
2009, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>>>Regardless of penalty fares boarding a train with the intention to
>>> travel at a station with available ticket buying facilities without a
>>> valid ticket for travel is against the railway byelaws and the NCoC.
>>
>>What about buying a Permit to Travel?
>
>A Permit to travel (where available) should be OK. But there's plenty
>of scope for defining what "available" means.

Sorry, when I say "available" there, I'm referring to "available ticket
buying facilities" not the PTT.

>While a queue significantly longer than the Passengers Charter dictates
>is apparently no excuse, what if there's a ticket machine in "cash
>only", "exact cash only" or "card only" mode, and the traveller can't
>oblige?

--
Roland Perry