EASA proposal on booting out FAA licensed pilots from Europe

On Jun 20, 7:45 am, Stealth Pilot <notranspon...@aeroplanes.com.au>
wrote:
> or I can fly a certified australian
> aircraft in american airspace on my australian licence under
> reciprocal ICAO arrangements.

Well, that's the point. If I read this correctly (Peter, please
clarify) you won't be able to do that anymore unless you meet their
requirements. For example, say you're a US private pilot flying an N-
registered aircraft over there, and you have an instrument rating and
some additional instrument time (say 80 hours total) - guess what, you
don't meet their requirements and can't fly IFR, ICAO or no ICAO. And
if you don't have 100 hours, you can't fly at all.

Michael

In article <ipCdnXMd7J4xA__VnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Scott Moore <samiam@moorecad.com> wrote:

> Peter wrote:
>
> > A lot of "EU business" is concerned with symbolism. Some of it is
> > basically good, like the consumer protection laws (unless you are a
> > manufacturer ;) ). But a lot of what we see here is an emotional
> > reaction to America, which many self proclaimed European intellectuals
> > regard as the land of John Wayne, and George Kennedy in the cowboy
> > "airline disaster" movies where he yanks the throttles of that 707
> > stuck in snow :) This means that N-reg business jets are much more
> > provocative than little N-reg piston planes. They are certainly far
> > more visible. As are all the other jets on Bermuda, Cayman, Aruba and
> > similar registers.
>
> Asia looked at America, wanted to emulate our success, and saw it as
> due to armies of entrepreneurs.
>
> Europe looked at America, wanted to emulate our success, and saw it
> as due to armies of regulators.

That is the Socialist way!

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Dylan Smith <dylan@vexed3.alioth.net> wrote

>It'll be a very silly state of affairs if Manx residents aren't allowed
>to fly aircraft registered in their own territory!

It's not that, it's the license you are flying it under. The pilots of
Manx registered planes fly mostly under FAA licenses.

Dylan Smith <dylan@vexed3.alioth.net> wrote

>No, they fly under Manx licenses. These are issued on the strength of an
>appropriate ICAO license which may be European, FAA, or any other ICAO
>compliant license.

In that case they should be OK, because they would be regarded as
foreign pilots under this EASA proposal.

I don't think EASA can stop foreign pilots flying into Europe.

Incidentally I have just heard that the page 159/160 proposal for
accepting an FAA PPL/IR (sitting four of the 14 JAA ATP exams, 1
checkride etc) is the same as the German "FAA IR to German IR"
conversion requirements pre-JAA. Interesting coincidence.

On Jun 20, 7:54 am, Michael <usenetrepl...@thisoldairplane.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 7:45 am, Stealth Pilot <notranspon...@aeroplanes.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > or I can fly a certified australian
> > aircraft in american airspace on my australian licence under
> > reciprocal ICAO arrangements.
>
> Well, that's the point.  If I read this correctly (Peter, please
> clarify) you won't be able to do that anymore unless you meet their
> requirements.  For example, say you're a US private pilot flying an N-
> registered aircraft over there, and you have an instrument rating and
> some additional instrument time (say 80 hours total) - guess what, you
> don't meet their requirements and can't fly IFR, ICAO or no ICAO.  And
> if you don't have 100 hours, you can't fly at all.

So most American airline pilots probably don't meet the ATP
requirements of the JAR either. Does that mean American flag carriers
can't fly in Europe?

-Robert

Stealth Pilot <notransponder@aeroplanes.com.au> wrote

>surely the way forward is to get a flying training org in the USA
>accredited to their standards (as the guys in perth have done) and
>then to issue one of their licences in addition to the FAA one.
>
>the guys in Perth following this path for work in europe go to europe
>with an Australian ICAO licence, which they dont need to show, and the
>JAA one which is what they do show.
>
>I dont really see your problem other than a gaff at the affront that
>an FAA issued ICAO licence is somehow degraded by the european
>attitude.

Are you saying that the Australian IR is similar to the FAA IR in
content?

There are no flight training organisations in the USA permitted to
train the European IR, AFAIK. This is standard European trade
protection. Only PPL training (to JAA papers) is doable in the USA - 6
or so schools in Florida and one is SoCal.