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Old 4th November 2003, 04:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default IMC Rating valid in Isle of Man / Channel Islands?


The latest issue of GASIL says "in theory" it is not valid. This is a
strange choice of words for what I believe is a CAA-run or
CAA-sponsored publication! It either is valid, or isn't.


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Old 4th November 2003, 04:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default IMC Rating valid in Isle of Man / Channel Islands?

I don't know about the IOM but I do know that Jersey has its own ANO but
that all pilot licencing is done by the UK CAA. If the Jersey ANO does not
mention the IMC then technically GASIL is correct. However I do know that a
large percentage of pilots over there have an IMC and the club has a very
good reputation in the UK for the standard of its IMC training. Where else
can you get IMC training at £118ph in a dual Garmin 430 equipped Archer III
?

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> The latest issue of GASIL says "in theory" it is not valid. This is a
> strange choice of words for what I believe is a CAA-run or
> CAA-sponsored publication! It either is valid, or isn't.
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Old 4th November 2003, 05:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Simon Smith" <simon.smith1@> wrote:

>I don't know about the IOM but I do know that Jersey has its own ANO but
>that all pilot licencing is done by the UK CAA. If the Jersey ANO does not
>mention the IMC then technically GASIL is correct. However I do know that a
>large percentage of pilots over there have an IMC and the club has a very
>good reputation in the UK for the standard of its IMC training. Where else
>can you get IMC training at £118ph in a dual Garmin 430 equipped Archer III


The problem is that if the IMC Rating is not legal in Jersey, an
insurance company would be quick to walk away from a payout if there
was an incident in which the IMC Rating had been relied on at any time
within Jersey airspace.

I know of a prop strike incident, with an instructor as P1, where the
insurer's loss adjuster checked the licenses and ratings of both
people and he told me that if there had been anything wrong they would
not have paid out (regardless of its relevance to the incident).

Presumably the IMC-R training you refer to is done there but not used
there - one can do an IMC Rating in Florida after all :)


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Old 4th November 2003, 06:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default IMC Rating valid in Isle of Man / Channel Islands?

The Imc rating isn't(wasn't) mentioned in the Jersey ANO and last time I
looked it was last updated in 1972! The Channel Island have always been a
bit of an anomaly and frequently geographically misunderstood. For example,
the geographic limits of coverage for the insurance on my Jodel are the UK,
Europe (excl FYR), N Africa North of 30N and West of 30E excl Libya, the
Canaries and transit airspace thereto. The CI are not part of the UK. They
are however part of the British Isles, so as I read it, I am covered for a
transit through CI airspace but not for a landing! The insurance for the
airline that I work for is worded the same way.

There have been claims in the past and I am not aware of any having been
refused.

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"Peter" <nobody@somewhere-in-the-uk.com> wrote in message
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> "Simon Smith" <simon.smith1@> wrote:
>
> >I don't know about the IOM but I do know that Jersey has its own ANO but
> >that all pilot licencing is done by the UK CAA. If the Jersey ANO does

not
> >mention the IMC then technically GASIL is correct. However I do know that

a
> >large percentage of pilots over there have an IMC and the club has a very
> >good reputation in the UK for the standard of its IMC training. Where

else
> >can you get IMC training at £118ph in a dual Garmin 430 equipped Archer

III
>
> The problem is that if the IMC Rating is not legal in Jersey, an
> insurance company would be quick to walk away from a payout if there
> was an incident in which the IMC Rating had been relied on at any time
> within Jersey airspace.
>
> I know of a prop strike incident, with an instructor as P1, where the
> insurer's loss adjuster checked the licenses and ratings of both
> people and he told me that if there had been anything wrong they would
> not have paid out (regardless of its relevance to the incident).
>
> Presumably the IMC-R training you refer to is done there but not used
> there - one can do an IMC Rating in Florida after all :)
>
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Old 18th November 2003, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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"Peter" <nobody@somewhere-in-the-uk.com> wrote in message
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> > I don't think you will get it unless the instructor is happy, no

> matter how many hours you've flown :)


This is certainly true but it's the examiner that decides and not the
instructor.
>

....snipped
> but most of the instructors that do teach it, can't teach it to the level

which would make it useful for its
> real purpose: going to places.


I don't understand this, why can't they?

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In article <1mphrvo5um04rmdnid177uamht5uku990d@>
Peter <nobody@somewhere-in-the-uk.com> wrote:

>So, if you have the UK IMC Rating, is this the same as the Jersey IMC
>Rating, or do you have to actually do your Jersey IMC Rating in
>Jersey??


There is no "Jersey IMC Rating", simply a normal CAA one. The Jersey ANO
makes reference to the CAA rating.

Best wishes,
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Matthew Richardson <matthew@itconsult.co.uk> wrote:

>>So, if you have the UK IMC Rating, is this the same as the Jersey IMC
>>Rating, or do you have to actually do your Jersey IMC Rating in
>>Jersey??

>
>There is no "Jersey IMC Rating", simply a normal CAA one. The Jersey ANO
>makes reference to the CAA rating.


Why did the GASIL publication state that the IMC Rating is not valid
in Jersey? Next time it comes out (I bin my copies promptly) I will
write to them.


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