BA: Traffic and Capacity Statistics - May 2008

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:55:19 +0100, Jim Mason
<jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:


>British Airways announced it was to increase its fuel surcharge on all
>tickets issued from Tuesday June 3.

Hopefully BA will show a decrease next time figures are released?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:52:27 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>>Hopefully BA will show a decrease next time figures are released?

>It gives every indication of simply increasing as fuel prices increase.
>It's not a new thing, BA first introduced them in 2004, and they've had
>plenty of time to adjust base prices to the inevitable, if that's what
>you are hinting at.

It is..one wonders if BA will again be taken to task by regulators..

In message <3d7f445lnrupoq5066c9ku4trf1dopfcim@********>, at 08:04:09 on
Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Joe Curry <egph@blueyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>>>Hopefully BA will show a decrease next time figures are released?
>
>>It gives every indication of simply increasing as fuel prices increase.
>>It's not a new thing, BA first introduced them in 2004, and they've had
>>plenty of time to adjust base prices to the inevitable, if that's what
>>you are hinting at.
>
>It is..one wonders if BA will again be taken to task by regulators..

They've only been criticised for colluding over fuel surcharges, not the
concept of having a fuel surcharge at all.

The OFT has been pressing for airline websites to make the "final price"
clear, not worrying too much about what the components are.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <3d7f445lnrupoq5066c9ku4trf1dopfcim@********>, at 08:04:09 on
> Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Joe Curry <egph@blueyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Hopefully BA will show a decrease next time figures are released?
>>
>>> It gives every indication of simply increasing as fuel prices increase.
>>> It's not a new thing, BA first introduced them in 2004, and they've had
>>> plenty of time to adjust base prices to the inevitable, if that's what
>>> you are hinting at.
>>
>> It is..one wonders if BA will again be taken to task by regulators..
>
> They've only been criticised for colluding over fuel surcharges, not the
> concept of having a fuel surcharge at all.
>
> The OFT has been pressing for airline websites to make the "final price"
> clear, not worrying too much about what the components are.

Howdy,

And BA and KLM and most other serious airlines show the complete price
of the ticket with no hidden extras. Who cares if they call it a
surcharge or something else ... that is the cost of a seat in a flight.

C.

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In message <4847aba9$0$2476$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, at 10:01:52 on
Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Charles C.
<c.k.christacopoulos.removeme.?@dundee.ac.uk.inval id> remarked:
>> The OFT has been pressing for airline websites to make the "final price"
>> clear, not worrying too much about what the components are.
>
>And BA and KLM and most other serious airlines show the complete price
>of the ticket with no hidden extras. Who cares if they call it a
>surcharge or something else ... that is the cost of a seat in a flight.

They show it eventually. I was looking at a KLM flight last night, and
the first screen said the fare was £110 out and £117 back, which it
claims adds up to £348, plus a compulsory "reservation fee" of £1.

I have to go to the next screen to see that it's £265 + £83 tax.

(nb 110+114 is not 265, so I'm completely confused).
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:10:11 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:


>The OFT has been pressing for airline websites to make the "final price"
>clear, not worrying too much about what the components are.

The internet - along with travel agent's windows - being considered a
'grey' area for current legislation that states advertising must
include all known charges?

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:15:09 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:


>>And BA and KLM and most other serious airlines show the complete price
>>of the ticket with no hidden extras. Who cares if they call it a
>>surcharge or something else ... that is the cost of a seat in a flight.

>They show it eventually. I was looking at a KLM flight last night, and
>the first screen said the fare was £110 out and £117 back, which it
>claims adds up to £348, plus a compulsory "reservation fee" of £1.

>I have to go to the next screen to see that it's £265 + £83 tax.

Yep..it's the final screen that reveals all..

In article <484834f4.83897056@news.individual.net>,
wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk says...
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:59:06 GMT, Joe Curry <egph@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Yep..it's the final screen that reveals all..
>
> What we need is for the first screen to include everything that isn't
> optional. The ones with the moral high ground appear to be easyJet,
> who do just that.

To be fair RYR also do the same ....... just before you are about to enter
a contract ;-)

In article <UzWE5OBb+CSIFAb0@perry.co.uk>, roland@perry.co.uk says...
>
> The grey area is still the "optional" charges, like check-in!

RYR are exploiting this massively.

I see today that they are once again crying foul re Aer Lingus and their
latest fuel surcharge.

Quite remarkable considering RYR own 30% of Aer Lingus.

Hypocrisy of the highest order?

In article <484844db.87968526@news.individual.net>,
wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk says...
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:49:29 +0100, Jim Mason
> <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >To be fair RYR also do the same ....... just before you are about to enter
> >a contract ;-)
>
> The big difference is that EZY do it from step 1. They are to be
> commended for this, and I am highly disappointed that the law does not
> require all of them to do it.

As do RYR but are slightly more sleekit about it ;-)