NY to LHR Newark Best??

In message <ucgh83td94floehamu1qqoa1689vt8j6tb@>, at 12:14:57 on
Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
remarked:
>:>Hi, is flying from Newark airport a better choice for flying BA back to LHR
>:>or is JFK ok???
>
>What are your considerations?
>
>If you live in Newark, EWR is better. In Queens, JFK is better.
>
>I presume that the schedules are not identical, so that may be a consideration
>as well.

It would also be surprising if discount prices were the same (a quick
check seems to show that full-fare pricing is identical). Personally, I
have always found Continental cheaper than BA.
--
Roland Perry

In article <q4nBgAHnOekGFAVd@perry.co.uk>,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
* In message <nat193h860lbfgl44jlsav7a4l23a2n1pi@>, at 17:35:41 on
* Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
* remarked:
* >Perhaps a NY cabbie can join a NJ livery company and get a fare back.
*
* Do I detect more red tape? All a taxi driver needs is a way to attract
* bookings, for example his office in NY accepting pre-bookings for Newark
* Airport back to NY, which they hand out to whichever cab happens to have
* just arrived with a departing passenger.

Which, as has been pointed out many times before, would be illegal. Cabs in
New York are licensed by the New York Taxi & Limousine Comission. Cabs in
New Jersey are licensed by the equivalent body in New Jersey. Different
jurisdictions, different governing bodies, different rules.

* >I would think those would be few & far between.
*
* So people don't often fly into Newark airport and then want to go to NY?

And when they do, they either take a shuttle or a bus or the train or a New
Jersey taxi.

* >The cabbie would rather go with the extra percentage of the meter.
*
* But that has huge disadvantages.

I'm actually not sure that it does. Trips to Newark Liberty International
are probably an absolutely miniscule proportion of a cabbie's fares. Even if
it were possible for a NYC yellow cob to get a NJ taxi license (I doubt it
would be--it'd require dual meters and dual license plates, for starts) , I
think that any extra money the cabbie would earn on trips back from Newark
would be swallowed by the extra costs of obtaining and maintaining the dual
licenses.

* If the administrations of NY and NJ can't be persuaded to trust
* oneanother's standards for driving tests and vehicle licencing, then it's
* farcical.

That's not the point here. The states do, in fact, recognize each other's
standards for driving tests and vehicle licensing; but that's not the issue
here. The issue is the right of the separate sovereigns to regulate state
businesses.

* >:>>The local entities want to be able to collect taxes.
* >
* >:>So charge a toll on the freeway, as that's the only NJ resource being
* >:>used here.
* >
* >How would one charge a toll on a freeway?
*
* Toll booths.

There are already two tolls on an EWR -> NYC trip: one on the NJ turnpike
and one at the Lincoln Tunnel.

But, as I pointed out before, this is, in the real world, a practical
non-issue.

In message <f6tdv5$gul$1@panix5.panix.com>, at 09:41:57 on Mon, 9 Jul
2007, Paul Frankenstein <ppaauullff@ppaanniixx.ccoomm> remarked:

>* >Perhaps a NY cabbie can join a NJ livery company and get a fare back.
>*
>* Do I detect more red tape? All a taxi driver needs is a way to attract
>* bookings, for example his office in NY accepting pre-bookings for Newark
>* Airport back to NY, which they hand out to whichever cab happens to have
>* just arrived with a departing passenger.
>
>Which, as has been pointed out many times before, would be illegal. Cabs in
>New York are licensed by the New York Taxi & Limousine Comission. Cabs in
>New Jersey are licensed by the equivalent body in New Jersey. Different
>jurisdictions, different governing bodies, different rules.

Yes we know all that as a result of reading this thread. It just seems
ridiculous that there's so much red tape, when the cabs *do* operate in
each other's areas, but only when delivering rather than collecting,
passengers.

>* >I would think those would be few & far between.
>*
>* So people don't often fly into Newark airport and then want to go to NY?
>
>And when they do, they either take a shuttle or a bus or the train or a New
>Jersey taxi.

And the NY cabs who have dropped off a fare at the airport are forced to
drive back empty.

>* >The cabbie would rather go with the extra percentage of the meter.
>*
>* But that has huge disadvantages.
>
>I'm actually not sure that it does. Trips to Newark Liberty International
>are probably an absolutely miniscule proportion of a cabbie's fares. Even if
>it were possible for a NYC yellow cob to get a NJ taxi license (I doubt it
>would be--it'd require dual meters and dual license plates, for starts) , I
>think that any extra money the cabbie would earn on trips back from Newark
>would be swallowed by the extra costs of obtaining and maintaining the dual
>licenses.

You don't need dual licences, just reciprocal licences (and if you like,
just for trips to/from the airport).

>* If the administrations of NY and NJ can't be persuaded to trust
>* oneanother's standards for driving tests and vehicle licencing, then it's
>* farcical.
>
>That's not the point here. The states do, in fact, recognize each other's
>standards for driving tests and vehicle licensing; but that's not the issue
>here. The issue is the right of the separate sovereigns to regulate state
>businesses.

But apparently it doesn't matter that I pay the NY cabbie money, in NJ,
for the trip we just made from Manhattan?

>* >:>>The local entities want to be able to collect taxes.
>* >
>* >:>So charge a toll on the freeway, as that's the only NJ resource being
>* >:>used here.
>* >
>* >How would one charge a toll on a freeway?
>*
>* Toll booths.
>
>There are already two tolls on an EWR -> NYC trip: one on the NJ turnpike
>and one at the Lincoln Tunnel.
>
>But, as I pointed out before, this is, in the real world, a practical
>non-issue.

The issue was raised because of the suggestion that what NJ really
wanted to do was tax the NY cabbies, and a toll seemed the easiest way.
--
Roland Perry

In message <f6u0mv$slg$1@panix5.panix.com>, at 15:01:51 on Mon, 9 Jul
2007, Paul Frankenstein <x@x.x> remarked:
>The truth of the matter is that there simply isn't enough demand. There are
>sufficient alternative ways to get back and forth between the city and EWR
>that the issue of licensing NYC taxis to pick up at Newark is a non-issue.

If so few NY cabs ever take anyone to EWR, and are therefore available
to take a different person back to Manhattan, why bother prohibiting
them doing so with passengers? On the other hand, perhaps it really
isn't that few?
--
Roland Perry

John L wrote:

>>>They're not explicitly prohibited, they merely aren't licensed to pick
>>>up passengers in New Jersey.
>>
>>We know that. What I'm saying is that picking up pre-booked passengers
>>does no-one [1] any harm, and does a lot of good.
>
>
> As far as I know, NY cabs can pick people up anywhere if you call
> ahead. In practice, nobody does. The amount of cab traffic from NYC
> to Newark Airport isn't enough to be worth the scheduling hassle, and
> there are always plenty of Newark and Elizabeth taxis at EWR.
>
>
>>It's interesting how within one country like the USA, it's possible
>>to stop someone from trading, just because of a state border.
>
>
> Hmmn. If we tell you another dozen times that this has nothing to do
> with state lines, will you pay attention?
>
>
>>What happens in those cities with a state border right through the
>>middle of town?
>
>
> I can only think of one of any size, Texarkana AR/TX. Never been
> there, no idea what their taxis do.

What about Kansas City, MO/KS?

In message <x-SdnWPDxZRkswDbnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@>, at 14:04:57
on Tue, 17 Jul 2007, NotABushSupporter <user@not.here> remarked:
>>> Practice here is that you telephone to order a cab; you don't just
>>>hail one
>>> on the street. And in Kansas City, MO, you hire a Missouri cab; in
>>>Kansas
>>> City, KS, you hire a Kansas one. from the airport (which is in
>>>Missouri),
>>> you take a Missouri cab (or a shuttle) to any destination in either city.
>> If you arrive at the airport in a cab from Kansas City, KS, is he
>>allowed to take a return passenger, or does he have to travel empty?
>
>That would depend on if he has taxi permit for KC, KS

So permits in the two halves of the city don't convey any reciprocal
rights? Not even just to allow a booked pickup back to their own side of
the river?
--
Roland Perry

In message <f7eebn$1asp$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 00:32:55 on Mon, 16 Jul
2007, John L <johnl@iecc.com> remarked:
>When you looked at the map, did you notice any natural features that
>separate the two Kansas Cities? Like, you know, the Mississippi
>River?

London is separated by the Thames, and Paris the Seine (etc etc), yet
cabs are automatically licensed both sides of the river.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <f7eebn$1asp$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 00:32:55 on Mon, 16 Jul
> 2007, John L <johnl@iecc.com> remarked:
>> When you looked at the map, did you notice any natural features that
>> separate the two Kansas Cities? Like, you know, the Mississippi
>> River?
>
> London is separated by the Thames, and Paris the Seine (etc etc), yet
> cabs are automatically licensed both sides of the river.

Sarf of the river at this time of night mate? ;)

In message <f7lkbc$2b2q$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 17:58:04 on Wed, 18 Jul
2007, John L <johnl@iecc.com> remarked:
>I don't understand why you find it so hard to grasp the concept the
>concept of separate jurisdictions, you know, like the reason that
>London taxis charge you 50 pounds to take you to Slough.

Starting from where? If Central London, the metered fare would be about
the same. If from Heathrow, it's because they can't easily get a fare
back to Central London (from Slough). If you've just dropped someone off
at an airport there are plenty of people wanting to go back to the City
Centre (or City Centres if there are twin cities).

But mainly they are *allowed* to do all these various journeys, which is
the point I'm trying to make.
--
Roland Perry

cupra wrote:

>> London is separated by the Thames, and Paris the Seine (etc etc), yet
>> cabs are automatically licensed both sides of the river.
>
> Sarf of the river at this time of night mate? ;)
>
>

You took the words right out of my mouth.

North and 'Sarf' are completely different cities. People from either
side think the other is just a place on the map with 'here be demons' on it.

mf