Delta Pilots End Era of Luxurious Pay

Chris wrote:
>
> It is amazing these airlines have soaked up billions of Dollars in Federal
> subsidies and still cannot get by.
>
>
Exactly.

"Flying Rat" <me9@> wrote in message
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> In article <9reap0d3cvebnk5s6a0av09tnm57iigqpu@>,
> pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz says...
> >
> > United was the recipient of government-backed loan guarantees.
> >
> United was refused its ATSB guarantees

ATSB only granted about 15% of the $10 billion in loan guarantees it was
authorized to dispense.

"kontiki" <kontiki@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
> >
> > It is amazing these airlines have soaked up billions of Dollars in
Federal
> > subsidies and still cannot get by.
> >
> Exactly.

The airlines deserve their share of the blame, but the feds scalp about 24%
off the price of a typical airline ticket in taxes and fees. ("Sin taxes"
on alcohol and tobacco only run about 16%-18%.) They also have laid $4
billion a year in unfunded security costs on the airlines. This is in
addition to normal taxes like income tax, property taxes, etc.

Also, many airlines would have had operating profits except for $50/barrel
oil prices. Even JetBlue is struggling now.

"G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
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>
>
> AbsolutelyCertain wrote:
> >
> > Don't sell government bailouts short.
> >
> > Thanks to Uncle Sam, Chrysler was saved from extinction, and now we have
the
> > Grand Prizes: The Neon, and the PT Cruiser.
>
> Chrysler didn't get any bailout from the government. What they did was get
the
> government to cosign their loans. Since they survived, it didn't cost the
taxpayers a
> dime. Not the same as the airline situation at all.

The terms of the deal may be different, but government rescue of
corporations is still government rescue of corporations. It is the same
situation: Unwise interference with the marketplace. The fine print
doesn't matter.

In the words of the immortal Sen. Seabright Cooley, I'm "unalterably
opposed, sir" to the whole idea.

Apologies to Alan Drury.

"G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
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>
>
> AbsolutelyCertain wrote:
> >
> > The terms of the deal may be different, but government rescue of
> > corporations is still government rescue of corporations. It is the same
> > situation: Unwise interference with the marketplace. The fine print
> > doesn't matter.
>
> That's what you regard as "fine print"? Wow!

That's what you regard as just a "loan"? Wow!

"Bertie the Bunyip" <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
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> "AbsolutelyCertain" <easily@entertained.not> drivveled on and
> onnews:cn5qga$aop$0@pita.net:
>
> >
> > "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
> > news:41966C35.17B90DF2@...
> >>
> >>
> >> AbsolutelyCertain wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The terms of the deal may be different, but government rescue of
> >> > corporations is still government rescue of corporations. It is the
> >> > same situation: Unwise interference with the marketplace. The
> >> > fine print doesn't matter.
> >>
> >> That's what you regard as "fine print"? Wow!
> >
> > That's what you regard as just a "loan"? Wow!
> >
>
> That's what you regard as a "comeback"? Wow!

It was the best I could do. The straight line just didn't have any pizzazz
to it.

I can only do so much with this kind of material.

"Bertie the Bunyip" <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
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> "AbsolutelyCertain" <easily@entertained.not> drivveled on and
> onnews:cn5rdf$csm$0@pita.net:
>
> >
> > "Bertie the Bunyip" <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > news:Xns95A0D17ABE607ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ@216.128. 74.13...
> >> "AbsolutelyCertain" <easily@entertained.not> drivveled on and
> >> onnews:cn5qga$aop$0@pita.net:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
> >> > news:41966C35.17B90DF2@...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> AbsolutelyCertain wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The terms of the deal may be different, but government rescue of
> >> >> > corporations is still government rescue of corporations. It is
> >> >> > the same situation: Unwise interference with the marketplace.
> >> >> > The fine print doesn't matter.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's what you regard as "fine print"? Wow!
> >> >
> >> > That's what you regard as just a "loan"? Wow!
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's what you regard as a "comeback"? Wow!
> >
> > It was the best I could do. The straight line just didn't have any
> > pizzazz to it.
> >
> > I can only do so much with this kind of material.
> >
>
> Aaargh! You broke the cascade!

That's what you regard as a "cascade"? Wow!

> "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
> news:41966C35.17B90DF2@...

> > Seems to me that Congress' job is to try to keep the U.S. a nice place
to live

I'm sorry, I missed that earlier.

Did you really mean to say that?

Tell me you didn't.

"AbsolutelyCertain" <easily@entertained.not> wrote in message
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> > "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
> > news:41966C35.17B90DF2@...
>
> > > Seems to me that Congress' job is to try to keep the U.S. a nice
place
> to live
>
> I'm sorry, I missed that earlier.
>
> Did you really mean to say that?
>
> Tell me you didn't.
>
>

I think what he meant to say was - Congress' job is to try to keep the U.S.
a nice place to live for Congressmen.

"Service Tech" <no@none.com> wrote in message
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>
> "AbsolutelyCertain" <easily@entertained.not> wrote in message
> news:cn6duo$pv1$0@pita.net...
> > > "G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote in message
> > > news:41966C35.17B90DF2@...
> >
> > > > Seems to me that Congress' job is to try to keep the U.S. a nice
> place
> > to live
> >
> > I'm sorry, I missed that earlier.
> >
> > Did you really mean to say that?
> >
> > Tell me you didn't.
> >
> >
>
> I think what he meant to say was - Congress' job is to try to keep the
U.S.
> a nice place to live for Congressmen.

Ah. Okay, then.