In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet 'difficulties'

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:59:55 GMT, mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

>pm <pm@am.pm> wrote:
>> But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the
>> airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers.
>
>Discuss.

Interesting, isn't it?

I think it's a poor choice of words, but an accurate sentiment in the
sense that the airlines are trying very hard to please people in ways
that don't invove traditional ideas of "service".

It's much easier to regiment a video system than recruit, train, pay,
and keep happy a large force of individuals all acting consistently...

>miguel

Malc.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:21:46 -0400, Fly Guy <Fly@Guy.com> wrote:

>matt weber wrote:
>
>> >That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline
>> > business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered
>> > interactive entertainment at each seat.
>
>> Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single
>> US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.
>> If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss
>> authorities.
>
>Why would a Phoenix company be making such systems soley for over-seas
>carriers?

They weren't. The rationale for the FAA authority comes from the fact
that the aircraft was originally certified under the FAA's auspices,
and the Swiss cert. is based on the FAA's certification program (in a
gross over-simplication, the Swiss cert. basically says "See FAA
data").

Thus since the basic test data for the type is *owned* by
McDonnel-Douglas aka Boeing, and *not* available to third parties
(it's proprietary information), one might reasonably argue that
anything added to the aircraft must fit within information held by
McD-D and regulated by the FAA...

Malc.

"Malcolm Weir" <malc@gelt.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:21:46 -0400, Fly Guy <Fly@Guy.com> wrote:
>
> >matt weber wrote:
> >
> >> >That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline
> >> > business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered
> >> > interactive entertainment at each seat.
> >
> >> Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single
> >> US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.
> >> If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss
> >> authorities.
> >
> >Why would a Phoenix company be making such systems soley for over-seas
> >carriers?
>
> They weren't. The rationale for the FAA authority comes from the fact
> that the aircraft was originally certified under the FAA's auspices,
> and the Swiss cert. is based on the FAA's certification program (in a
> gross over-simplication, the Swiss cert. basically says "See FAA
> data").

Not exactly, as there was no way for FAA, or their Designees, to approve a
foreign installation. None of the "FAA Data" had any legal basis, due to
the place of completion of the work.

> Thus since the basic test data for the type is *owned* by
> McDonnel-Douglas aka Boeing, and *not* available to third parties
> (it's proprietary information), one might reasonably argue that
> anything added to the aircraft must fit within information held by
> McD-D and regulated by the FAA...

No, the only regulatory basis the US uses in the matter of US Type
certificated aircraft with foreign operators is to prohibit them from being
sold back into the US liability pool. Where the Type cretificate has not
been maintained, no US carrier may purchase that aircraft. So what happens
is that the resale value and resale availability for the owner having
altered their airplane.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Phil Miller <philmil@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:32:07 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip <s@s.s>
> wrote:
>
>>"Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
>>news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
>> Where the Type
>>> cretificate
>>
>>Type cretificate?
>>
>>That what they issue you with?
>>
>>Bertie
>
> Great Tarverisms #3
>
> The clerk boy is practicly illiterate.
>

One of the few areas where Tarver beats someone hands down. There's
certainly nobody ever going to accuse Tarver of being practically
illiterate.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
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> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
> Where the Type
> > cretificate
>
> Type cretificate?
>
> That what they issue you with?

Tarver follows the rules. All cretins have to have them.

"John Mazor" <mazorj@erols.com> wrote in message
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
> news:bf1rsm$m4f$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> > "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> > news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
> > Where the Type
> > > cretificate
> >
> > Type cretificate?
> >
> > That what they issue you with?
>
> Tarver follows the rules. All cretins have to have them.

Rules are a good thing.

"Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in news:3f156c22@news.sti.net:

>
> "John Mazor" <mazorj@erols.com> wrote in message
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>> "Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
>> news:bf1rsm$m4f$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> > "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
>> > news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
>> > Where the Type
>> > > cretificate
>> >
>> > Type cretificate?
>> >
>> > That what they issue you with?
>>
>> Tarver follows the rules. All cretins have to have them.
>
> Rules are a good thing.

Yes, Johnny,
Don't touch the fire, don't play in the street. Don't touch that squirrel.
johnny! don't touch that squirrel. Johnny! I mean it, if you touch that
squirel we're going to have to put you in the special place again johnny.
Johnny! You're making me very angry johnny!

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
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> skygodtj <skygodtj@br549.com> wrote in news:3F11D43B.215118EA@br549.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >>
> >> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> >> news:3f0f3332$1@news.sti.net:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "JL Grasso" <aaa@bbb.ccc> wrote in message
> >> > news:39cugv40fito09mpp0fpl4himgifq36j26@...
> >> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:22:30 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> >> <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in disasters.aviation:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:bemuth$3k1$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com.. .
> >> >> >> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> >> >> >> news:3f0ef02a@news.sti.net:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:s0gsgvc4gvrqd0jkk542p09v9pk0mh4282@...
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:21:46 -0400, Fly Guy <Fly@Guy.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >matt weber wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >airline
> >> >> >> >> >> > business, was put on to replace an existing system and
> >> > pioneered
> >> >> >> >> >> > interactive entertainment at each seat.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a
> >> > single
> >> >> >> >> >> US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered
> >> >> >> >> >> aircraft. If there was an oversight failure, it was with
> >> >> >> >> >> European/Swiss authorities.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Why would a Phoenix company be making such systems soley for
> >> >> >> >> >over-seas carriers?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Because no US carrier wants to spend a cent they don't
> >> >> >> >> absolutely have too spend.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Because those Chicago boys had already screwed the pooch in the
> >> >> >> > US
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You just have a one track mind, don't you splaps boy?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No wonder you have so much trouble gettin them 8 tracks in, huh?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Things are pretty much carte blonk for my parts, Bertie.
> >> >>
> >> >> As opposed to carte blanche?
> >> >
> >> > If you like.
> >> >
> >> >> >In fact, Al and
> >> >> >George are finally getting a little break; now that the PMA assist
> >> >> >letter
> >> > is
> >> >> >in from Boeing, from their 747 amended type certificate. The TSO
> >> > packages
> >> >> >are written and all that is left is a fine harvest of cash.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bwaaaahwahwahwahwahwahw!
> >> >
> >> > Yes indeed.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be laughing all the way to the bank, for years to come.
> >>
> >> They let you clean behind the seat cushions finally, eh?
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > nope, just lets him sniff them
>
> Aaaargh!
>
> Bertie
>
Just consider his reaction if offered access to the a/c used for the recent,
much touted, "Nude Charter"?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Bertie the Bunyip" <A@a.aaaaaa> wrote in message
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> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
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>
> > "John Mazor" <mazorj@erols.com> wrote in message
> > news:bf2j1d$m0i$7@bob.news.rcn.net...
> >> "Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
> >> news:bf1rsm$m4f$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> >> > "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> >> > news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
> >> > Where the Type
> >> > > cretificate
> >> >
> >> > Type cretificate?
> >> >
> >> > That what they issue you with?
> >>
> >> Tarver follows the rules. All cretins have to have them.
> >
> > Rules are a good thing.
>
> Yes, Johnny,
> Don't touch the fire, don't play in the street. Don't touch that
squirrel.
> johnny! don't touch that squirrel. Johnny! I mean it, if you touch
that
> squirel we're going to have to put you in the special place again
johnny.
> Johnny! You're making me very angry johnny!

Keyboard!

"Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
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> "John Mazor" <mazorj@erols.com> wrote in
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>
> > "Bertie the Bunyip" <s@s.s> wrote in message
> > news:bf1rsm$m4f$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> >> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in
> >> news:3f144123@news.sti.net:
> >> Where the Type
> >> > cretificate
> >>
> >> Type cretificate?
> >>
> >> That what they issue you with?
> >
> > Tarver follows the rules. All cretins have to have them.
>
> I thought they followed litle runners in the floor like slotcars.

That's the only way they can find their way to the bathroom.