Exposure Compensation

"Neil" <cog_sinister@yhaoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rjl4pvs10rf10dl5j0o6mitvl3i8vsev2j@...
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:54:47 +0200, "Kefo" <reply@newsgroup.only>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Of course, we missed our match and since really completely nothing was
wrong
> >with behavior of the passengers onboard (not football fans, not any
other),
> >we belive that we are entitled to a compensation. We haven't yet
contacted
> >the airline, because we first want to know how big compensation should we
> >look for.
> >
> >Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
> >
>
>
> The captain can throw off whoever he wants, you are entitled to no
> compensation at all,

The captain does, indeed, have the power to rufuse passage to anyone, just
as a police officer may have the power to arrest anyone, but he/she must
have sound reason to do so. This reason can be challenged.

MC

> and were you per chance going to Istanbul when everyone had been
> advised not to travel there?

No, actualy I was travelling to England and we were very much welcome there
(it wasn't any high-risk match).

> Kefo,
>
> You indicated that there was a large group of fans, but only a "few"
> were thrown off. It is not in an airline's best interest to throw off
> paying passengers that aren't causing any trouble. SO, why do you think
> they picked you?

No, that's the problem! They didn't kicked me off. They kicked a whole group
off! I mean, if there would be some guys that would make trouble (but there
wasn't any), then they should kick only them off. Not a whole group.

Kefo,

> people with one beer can each

There's your answer. Like it or not, taking your own alcohol onto a plane
with the intention of drinking it on board is pretty universally an offence.

It is legally possible (but I've never heard of anyone doing it) to take
your own booze on and let the crew serve you if they are agreeable. But
serving yourself your own booze is a no-no. The reason is that it allows the
crew to control the amount of grog that gets consumed to avoid unsavoury
situations.

By your own admission, there were people with 'one beer can each'. Anyone
with an ounce of common sense will know the PAX is not going to be saving
that 'one beer' until the flight is over.

FWIW, for customs reasons duty free booze is usually sold with the proviso
that the goods are kept intact and unopened, so you shouldn't be drinking
that on board either.

It's also perfectly possible for airlines to have their own rules over and
above the usual legal restrictions.

Howard

"Howard Long" <howard@howardlongxxx.com> wrote in message
news:bn0nd5$d04$1@sparta....
> Kefo,
>
> > people with one beer can each
>
> There's your answer. Like it or not, taking your own alcohol onto a plane
> with the intention of drinking it on board is pretty universally an
offence.
>
> It is legally possible (but I've never heard of anyone doing it) to take
> your own booze on and let the crew serve you if they are agreeable. But
> serving yourself your own booze is a no-no.

Is it universal? Really? I've been on more than one (international, non US
carrier) flight where PAX pulled out their bottles. Crew didn't seem too
bothered, except in the case of one particularly beligerent American couple
on a KLM flight, and they handled it well. On non-American carriers, is it
the norm that this is an offence? Note, I am not talking about obvious
drunk/beligerent PAX, which IS an offfence, but on simply BYOB.

I recognise this wouldn't be acceptable on domestic US carriers/flights.

"cjr" <cjrohr31@lox1.loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
news:bn0nsf$49b$1@news.loxinfo.co.th...
> Is it universal? Really? I've been on more than one (international, non US
> carrier) flight where PAX pulled out their bottles. Crew didn't seem too
> bothered, except in the case of one particularly beligerent American
couple
> on a KLM flight, and they handled it well. On non-American carriers, is
it
> the norm that this is an offence? Note, I am not talking about obvious
> drunk/beligerent PAX, which IS an offfence, but on simply BYOB.
>
> I recognise this wouldn't be acceptable on domestic US carriers/flights.

I would have thought that it was fairly universal. Certainly in the UK and
US this is the case. I have recently discussed this topic with pursers on
both BA and Virgin. I would have thought it was a fairly universal rule. Of
course, the crew may well turn a blind eye to it in certain situations.
Certainly I would not consider opening my own on any flight.

Kind Regards, Howard

re: bringing one's own booze on board.

Old, legacy carriers may have had rules against one bringing his own booze and
food on-board because that would compete against their own food service.

However, in the case of low cost airlines which don't serve meals, is such a
rule still really applicable ?

However, if I were captain and I saw a group of male passengers starting to
drink before everyone is fully seated, then perhaps yes, there would be reason
for concern. How many beers do each passenger have on board ? How many has he
drunk already prior to boarding the flight ?

I guess the next thing to do is to have breathalizer tests to every male
passenger prior to boarding.