Eateries choose service charges over tips

"Ablang" <HilaryDuffPerfect18YO@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message
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> < I'm sure everyone will have an opinion on this topic, as
> those who have discovered upon traveling to other states and
> countries, that hotels & restaurants are starting to replace the
> practice of consumer tipping and automatically adding it into the
> bill. What do you think of this practice? >
>
> Eateries choose service charges over tips
>
> By Laura Bly
> USA Today
>
(article snipped)

Better they should ban tips and just pay everyone a decent wage to start
with? The bottom-line cost to the customer would be the same. I dearly wish
the minimum-wage law for 'tipping' jobs and the IRS assumption of 7% (I
think), would be taken out of the law.

aem sends...

> > Better they should ban tips and just pay everyone a decent wage to start
> > with? The bottom-line cost to the customer would be the same. I dearly
> > wish
> > the minimum-wage law for 'tipping' jobs and the IRS assumption of 7% (I
> > think), would be taken out of the law.
> >
> > aem sends...
> >
>
> I"d prefer they don't add any service charge to the bill. Just raise
their
> menu prices accordingly and pay the staff a livable wage.
>
>

Or at least minimum wage. That is, make wait-staff NOT exempt from minimum
wage laws that apply to other jobs, such as cashier at Wal-Mart. I wouldn't
mind paying the higher prices on the menu, as long as there wasn't a
mandatory "service charge" tacked onto the cost of food. I'd still tip
about 20% if the service wasn't horrible.

I think this mandatory service charge is a really bad idea, for several
reasons. First, if it's a service charge, what guarantee is there that the
money will actually go to someone who provided service? (I can imagine a
lot of dishonest employers keeping the service charges, essentially robbing
the wait-staff of their tips) Second, if the wait-staff GETS the service
charge (to replace the lost TIP income), what incentive is there for the
wait-staff to provide decent service? It's not hard to be a mediocre
waiter/waitress who does not generate lots of complaints from customers.
With mandatory service charges as tips, all waiter/waitresses will
eventually BE mediocre, as they will learn the minimum required service to
keep their jobs, and do JUST THAT. -Dave

"ameijers" <aemeijers@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ablang" <HilaryDuffPerfect18YO@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message
> news:lstuj1pbstv9qacdq9aiagr9sop7oo9g9f@...
> > < I'm sure everyone will have an opinion on this topic, as
> > those who have discovered upon traveling to other states and
> > countries, that hotels & restaurants are starting to replace the
> > practice of consumer tipping and automatically adding it into the
> > bill. What do you think of this practice? >
> >
> > Eateries choose service charges over tips
> >
> > By Laura Bly
> > USA Today
> >
> (article snipped)
>
> Better they should ban tips and just pay everyone a decent wage to
start
> with? The bottom-line cost to the customer would be the same. I
dearly wish
> the minimum-wage law for 'tipping' jobs and the IRS assumption of 7%
(I
> think),

8%, at least back around the mid 80's when the guidelines were put
out. might be more now since the average tip was around 10% then,
and is 15% now.


would be taken out of the law.
>
> aem sends...
>

"Dave C." <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
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> > > Better they should ban tips and just pay everyone a decent wage
to start
> > > with? The bottom-line cost to the customer would be the same. I
dearly
> > > wish
> > > the minimum-wage law for 'tipping' jobs and the IRS assumption
of 7% (I
> > > think), would be taken out of the law.
> > >
> > > aem sends...
> > >
> >
> > I"d prefer they don't add any service charge to the bill. Just
raise
> their
> > menu prices accordingly and pay the staff a livable wage.
> >
> >
>
> Or at least minimum wage. That is, make wait-staff NOT exempt from
minimum
> wage laws that apply to other jobs, such as cashier at Wal-Mart. I
wouldn't
> mind paying the higher prices on the menu, as long as there wasn't a
> mandatory "service charge" tacked onto the cost of food. I'd still
tip
> about 20% if the service wasn't horrible.
>
> I think this mandatory service charge is a really bad idea, for
several
> reasons. First, if it's a service charge, what guarantee is there
that the
> money will actually go to someone who provided service? (I can
imagine a
> lot of dishonest employers keeping the service charges, essentially
robbing
> the wait-staff of their tips)

and it was mentioned in the article that it would be used to subsidize
the low pay of the cooks, etc. this will cause the good waitstaff to
depart for more lucrative places that let them keep their tips (from
which they already have to tip the busboy--no cleared tables, no
seating and the bartender--no tip and your customers wait for their
drinks, thereby lowering the servers' tips).

"JerryL" <jl@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "ameijers" <aemeijers@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:JqQ%e.101027$qY1.91474@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Ablang" <HilaryDuffPerfect18YO@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message
(snip)
> >>
> > (article snipped)
> >
> > Better they should ban tips and just pay everyone a decent wage to start
> > with? The bottom-line cost to the customer would be the same. I dearly
> > wish
> > the minimum-wage law for 'tipping' jobs and the IRS assumption of 7% (I
> > think), would be taken out of the law.
> >
> > aem sends...
> >
>
> I"d prefer they don't add any service charge to the bill. Just raise
their
> menu prices accordingly and pay the staff a livable wage.
>
Well, I <thought> that was what I said......

aem sends....

That'd never fly. It makes too much sense.


W : (

>> Please trim your sig to 1 line.
>Forget about it. He thinks he's too superior to adhere to netiquette.
We don't know that yet. Give him a chance to modify it and post again.
Patience.

In article <5mj1k1lrhup33gd2l164k1m7o5fogt190v@>,
Abe <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

> >> Please trim your sig to 1 line.
> >Forget about it. He thinks he's too superior to adhere to netiquette.
> We don't know that yet. Give him a chance to modify it and post again.
> Patience.

Like I haven't tried already?

He equates it with spell and grammar flames. Absolutely indifferent to
the issue...unless it has something to do with illegals.