Carry-ons (Opinions?)

Here's a question for discussion;
What's your opinion on carry-ons.
I travel for business, and check my tools & suitcase. I carry on my
Computer Case. I can't believe the amount of things that people try to
stuff into the overheads. If I put my case under the seat, I have to sit
with my legs in my chest. It goes up. I'll move it in an unusual
circumstance, but not for the half dozen people toting 2 or 3 fairly large
bags. And no matter what people think, the Airlines DON'T enforce the 1 bag
rule.

Right On!!

My pet hate are the good souls in economy, laden down with half their
household possessions, who board early and fill up the first class
overheads with unbelievable junk!! No room for my single normal sized
carryon when I board!! FA's do nothing to stop that either!

"Jim Davis Sr." <jimsr31@m> wrote in message
news:dA1Nb.4897$%B1.156@newssvr24.news. ...
> Here's a question for discussion;
> What's your opinion on carry-ons.
> I travel for business, and check my tools & suitcase. I carry on my
> Computer Case. I can't believe the amount of things that people try to
> stuff into the overheads. If I put my case under the seat, I have to sit
> with my legs in my chest. It goes up. I'll move it in an unusual
> circumstance, but not for the half dozen people toting 2 or 3 fairly large
> bags. And no matter what people think, the Airlines DON'T enforce the 1
bag
> rule.
>
>
>

But you can. Ask if the bag belongs to any of the others around you, of
course it won't. Take the bag down, bring it to the FA and say I'm sorry,
my bag doesn't fit, can you gate check it for me? Replace it with your bag
and all is happy. You will be well off the plane before the guy in 89G gets
back up and starts looking for his bag.

I've done it more then once.

"Paul O" <someonem> wrote in message
news:4004c492$0$16588$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Right On!!
>
> My pet hate are the good souls in economy, laden down with half their
> household possessions, who board early and fill up the first class
> overheads with unbelievable junk!! No room for my single normal sized
> carryon when I board!! FA's do nothing to stop that either!
>

"Jim Davis Sr." wrote:

> Here's a question for discussion;
> What's your opinion on carry-ons.
> I travel for business, and check my tools & suitcase. I carry on my
> Computer Case. I can't believe the amount of things that people try to
> stuff into the overheads. If I put my case under the seat, I have to sit
> with my legs in my chest. It goes up. I'll move it in an unusual
> circumstance, but not for the half dozen people toting 2 or 3 fairly large
> bags. And no matter what people think, the Airlines DON'T enforce the 1 bag
> rule.

Absolutely!!
Many airlines have a simple box near the check in desk, built to the maximum
hand-luggage dimensions. If your bag is too big to fit in the box, it doesn't
get in as hand-luggage!! At least that's the theory, pity nobody enforces it.

Ron
--
Bugrit

The views and expressions contained in this message do not necessarily
coincide with those of my employer.

"Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
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> So I got out of line,
> put the laptop in the shopping bag, and went back through and he let
> me pass, because technically, now, I was in compliance.

And you still had to take your computer out again at the Xray... don't you
just love common sense!

Regards, Howard

Jim Anderson wrote:
>
> I agree with your last point whole-heartedly. There's two issues here as to
> why people HAVE to carry everything on.
>
> 1. The MYTH of lost luggage.

Well, there's also the problem of finding valuables disappearing from
one's checked luggage. In fact, an undercover investigation at our local
airport discovered a thriving practice in ground crews stealing from
baggage. That makes people want to keep their valuables with them on the
plane - and some of those things are quite bulky.

> 2. Well, I have to wait XX of minutes for my bag.

I really don't know why UPS or Pack 'n Mail or some other package
delivery service doesn't set up shipping kiosks in terminals. That'd be
a convenient last-minute option for people who, say, shopped excessively
while on vacation and daren't check their bag full of expensive or
fragile goodies. Just take it to the shipping counter and pay a few
bucks to have it all shipped home. And it'd make it easier for the
airlines to take a hard line on their baggage restrictions. If you can't
take it onboard, take it over to the freight counter and have it shipped
back to your home.

HellT

"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bu3tr10dqu@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <qzcNb.32478$G04.6749087@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, Evelyn C.
Leeper
> says...
> >
> >Mark Hewitt wrote:
> >
> >> "Icono Clast" <IClast@JPS.Net> wrote in message
> >> news:3a26924c.0401140231.5f80efc5@c om...
> >>
> >>>"Jim Davis Sr." <jimsr31@m> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to
> >>>and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by
> >>>blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early have
> >>>have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not
> >>>knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just
> >>>don't get it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after the
plane
> >> has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away with
just
> >> hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that!
>
> If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter.
Wear
> clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If you're
> moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're
travelling on
> pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and
stop
> counting minutes at the baggage carousel.
>
> >
> >Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the same
> >flight as me.
>
> Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the bags
to you
> within a day?
>
> I mean, good grief. These complaints are just control-phreaky "I demand a
> glitch-free life and I wanna be first" stuff. The large number of
> self-appointed carry-on exceptions (and the resultant scrable for
overhead,
> underfoot, and garment bag space) *is* impacting other pax. PDA's,
music
> players, and cameras fit in largish purses and soft briefcases (for the
latter,
> with laptop). Medicine and magazines too. One more of carry-on size
handles a
> weekend's worth of stuff (say - how 'bout packing one of those such that
you're
> covered for a baggage-loading disaster and checking the rest!).

Spoken like a true non-business traveler. Why in the world should anyone
risk their enterprise and forgo their _legal_ carryon because you don't
approve?

I have to wear suits for my business and, no, I won't spend hours in plane
wearing one because you don't like carryons. I, personally, have had my
bags delayed -- 4+ days in each case -- twice out of the four times I
checked bags on a business trip. I also carry a laptop (with associated
electronics), PDA, cellphone and charger, plus critical documents that I
need when I get there.

It absolutely amazes me that you would be criticize someone who falls within
the _airline_determined_ requirement for carryon, which inconveniences no
one except, perhaps, your personal sense of aesthetics.


>
> Bamtu
>

"Howard Long" <howard@howardlongxxx.com> wrote in message
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> "Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
> news:ddaxcudd18664402609@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
> > So I got out of line,
> > put the laptop in the shopping bag, and went back through and he let
> > me pass, because technically, now, I was in compliance.
>
> And you still had to take your computer out again at the Xray... don't you
> just love common sense!
>
> Regards, Howard

I like the Shoe thing. We have to have our shoes inspected because some
nimrod had explosives in his shoes. Think of what will happen if they find
a guy with a stick of dynamite up his . (They already have the rubber
gloves)

"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bu3tr10dqu@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <qzcNb.32478$G04.6749087@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, Evelyn C.
Leeper
> says...
> >
> >Mark Hewitt wrote:
> >
> >> "Icono Clast" <IClast@JPS.Net> wrote in message
> >> news:3a26924c.0401140231.5f80efc5@c om...
> >>
> >>>"Jim Davis Sr." <jimsr31@m> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to
> >>>and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by
> >>>blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early have
> >>>have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not
> >>>knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just
> >>>don't get it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after the
plane
> >> has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away with
just
> >> hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that!
>
> If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter.
Wear
> clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If you're
> moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're
travelling on
> pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and
stop
> counting minutes at the baggage carousel.
>
> >
> >Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the same
> >flight as me.
>
> Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the bags
to you
> within a day?

Occasionally happens to me too. Usually Arrives at my Hotel within 6 hours.
I prefer them to misplace it when I'm going home. I don't have to lug it
home, and they deliver it to my door in a few hours.

"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bu4eqm02aam@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <bu48u0$dhmps$1@ID-101118.news.uni-berlin.de>, PTRAVEL says...
> >
> >
> >"Banty" <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:bu3tr10dqu@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> In article <qzcNb.32478$G04.6749087@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, Evelyn C.
> >Leeper
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> >Mark Hewitt wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Icono Clast" <IClast@JPS.Net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:3a26924c.0401140231.5f80efc5@c om...
> >> >>
> >> >>>"Jim Davis Sr." <jimsr31@m> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to
> >> >>>and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by
> >> >>>blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early
have
> >> >>>have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not
> >> >>>knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just
> >> >>>don't get it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after
the
> >plane
> >> >> has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away
with
> >just
> >> >> hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that!
> >>
> >> If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack
lighter.
> >Wear
> >> clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If
you're
> >> moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're
> >travelling on
> >> pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and
> >stop
> >> counting minutes at the baggage carousel.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the
same
> >> >flight as me.
> >>
> >> Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the
bags
> >to you
> >> within a day?
> >>
> >> I mean, good grief. These complaints are just control-phreaky "I
demand a
> >> glitch-free life and I wanna be first" stuff. The large number of
> >> self-appointed carry-on exceptions (and the resultant scrable for
> >overhead,
> >> underfoot, and garment bag space) *is* impacting other pax. PDA's,
> >music
> >> players, and cameras fit in largish purses and soft briefcases (for the
> >latter,
> >> with laptop). Medicine and magazines too. One more of carry-on size
> >handles a
> >> weekend's worth of stuff (say - how 'bout packing one of those such
that
> >you're
> >> covered for a baggage-loading disaster and checking the rest!).
> >
>
> Excuse me?

You're excused, since I didn't write any of what you've quoted above.

>
> >
> >Spoken like a true non-business traveler. Why in the world should anyone
> >risk their enterprise and forgo their _legal_ carryon because you don't
> >approve?
> >
>
> That can be a garment bag.

It can be, and sometimes that's what I use, along with my computer bag. It
can also be one of the boxy rollaboards. As I said, your personal
preferences don't determine what is appropriate.

> Don't know how you got the impression I don't
> approve.

From this, which your wrote in the post to which I replied:

"If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter.
Wear clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If
you're moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're
travelling on pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to
relax and stop counting minutes at the baggage carousel."

>
> But I do sometimes dress in a manner that will carry on to business if
> necessary.

Well, that's nice for you. I don't, nor is there any reason that I should.

> Two ways to approach the business-dress problem. One can do either,
> or both, and offset the (small) risk of arriving without one's checked
baggage.

Perhaps for you, it's a small risk. For me, it's the _certainty_ that, if I
don't show up in court dressed approriately, my client is prejudiced and I
might wind up sanctioned or in jail.

>
> >I have to wear suits for my business and, no, I won't spend hours in
plane
> >wearing one because you don't like carryons. I, personally, have had my
> >bags delayed -- 4+ days in each case -- twice out of the four times I
> >checked bags on a business trip. I also carry a laptop (with associated
> >electronics), PDA, cellphone and charger, plus critical documents that I
> >need when I get there.
> >
> >It absolutely amazes me that you would be criticize someone who falls
within
> >the _airline_determined_ requirement for carryon, which inconveniences no
> >one except, perhaps, your personal sense of aesthetics.
>
> I'm amazed you see my post that way.

Again, you're the one who wrote this:

"If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter.
Wear clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If
you're moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're
travelling on pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to
relax and stop counting minutes at the baggage carousel."

I only commented on the business-travel aspect of it. I find it equally
amazing that you've appointed yourself the expert on leisure travel as well.
I travel internationally two or three times a year for leisure travel and I
think I'm pretty good at it. I don't presume to dictate leisure-travel
standards to others.

>
> If one is worried about the time at the carousel (which is what I was
> addressing, and seems rather a matter of poor planning,

Whatever business travel you may do obviously bear little relationship to
mine. I frequently have to travel last minute to handle legal emergencies
for clients located throughout North America. Poor planning? No.
Ignorance on your part of how others do business? Yes.


>but anyway...), one can
> have the fresh business suit *and* walk out of the airiport if one travels
> light.

One can have a fresh business suit, and a laptop, and necessary documents,
and shirts, socks and underwear for a week, and a PDA and a phone and all
the other _necessary_ accoutrements of the kind of business they conduct by
availing themselves of the legal maximum carryon permitted by the airlines.
No reason to check bags, and every reason not to.


> Pristine freshness or not, I use two ways to do that, depending on the
> circumstances. Within airline requirements. That's all.
>
> Banty
>