Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?

"hachiroku ��ロク" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote

> On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:15:02 -0400, Polfus wrote:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote
>>
>>> The Mobil 1 that's on the shelves today bears little resemblance to the
>>> Mobil 1 that was introduced, when--30+ years ago?
>>
>> Help me out here...whats the difference?
>>
>> I haven't looked recently..so please do tell.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Polfus
>
> If you read my response to you, there isn't a lot of info about the
> difference. Of course, I didn't spend a lot of time looking.
>
> Or, are you just sticking it to Mike...

I seriously want to know what he thinks the difference is.

Peace,
Polfus

hachiroku ��ロク wrote:
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:27:06 -0400, Polfus wrote:
>
>
>> And I have *no* plans on keeping my '08 Accord for more than 10 years
>> *MAX*.
>>
>> I'm not a kid and will most certainly purchase another car before I have
>> to worry about getting 200,000 miles on mine.
>
> I used to get a new car every two-three years, not entirely by choice!
> In 1980 I bought a Corolla SR5 Coupe. I liked it and kept it 6 years and
> 244,000 miles. It's replacement was the 'hachiroku' (1985 Corolla GTS
> hatch) Magnificent car. Still in my backyard with 259,000 waiting for the
> rust work to get done. I have an '05 Scion tC coupe I bought in '06, and
> I like that car too.
>
> Add to that an '88 Supra with ~200,000 miles I picked up for $600 4 years
> ago, an '89 Mazda 626 in mint condition for $150, and an '89 Subaru Coupe
> for winter driving. And I change the oil on all of them at 3,000 miles!
> The Scion gets ~7,000 miles a year, the Supra ~10,000, the Mazda ~12,000
> and the Subaru ~6,000. I change the oil on the Supra and the Subaru when
> they get parked for the season, then I drain that and put in fresh oil
> when they come back into service. The Scion gets synthetic every 4,500.
>
> All in all, cheap insurance. I wish I knew what moonbeam has against
> changing oil.
>

3.5 quarts at $3.00 each = $10.50
1 filter = $4.00

call it $15.00 with drain plug washer.

oil analysis costs $22.50 [blackstone].

4 changes at 3000 miles each = $60.00
1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $37.50

what? you don't work for nasa???

On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:16:29 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> Let's add something else. On the 10,000 mile service for my last new
>> car, the S.M. had them drill points on the suspension and add Zerk
>> fittings. Tha factory said the suspension was lubed for the life of the
>> car. Why do you suppose the S.M. did that, at no charge?
>>
>>
>>
>
> it's called "profit". drilling a grease nipple into a joint /after/
> assembly damages the joint and contaminates it. thus reducing life. and
> each subsequent grease injection can introduce more contamination too.
>
> so, as a one-man profit center, you're an unscrupulous service manager's
> dream. that's not "no charge".

As the drill turns, since you're drilling from the bottom, the havings
fall away. Those that don't get driven out when fresh grease is installed.

The fittings were put in in 1986. The car was being driven until 2003. No
damage to rack and pinion, and still on original ball joints wher the
grease fittings were added.

I guess that *really* paid off for them, eh?

On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:34:53 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> The Mobil 1 that's on the shelves today bears little resemblance to the
>> Mobil 1 that was introduced, when--30+ years ago?
>>
>>
>
> indeed.
>
> in short, there are three types of "synthetic". group v, ester based,
> group iv, olefin based, and group iii, highly refined mineral oils.
>
> most modern "synthetics" are group iii, the others being much too
> expensive. and utterly irrelevant if they're not properly used, i.e.
> discarded after only 4500 miles!

How is that 'irrelevant'? Should we wait until the oil is thoroughly
contaminated before changing it?

For the life of me, I can't see how changing the oil 500 miles early
'damages' anything. Please explain this.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:52:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> Add to that an '88 Supra with ~200,000 miles I picked up for $600 4
>> years ago, an '89 Mazda 626 in mint condition for $150, and an '89
>> Subaru Coupe for winter driving. And I change the oil on all of them at
>> 3,000 miles! The Scion gets ~7,000 miles a year, the Supra ~10,000, the
>> Mazda ~12,000 and the Subaru ~6,000. I change the oil on the Supra and
>> the Subaru when they get parked for the season, then I drain that and
>> put in fresh oil when they come back into service. The Scion gets
>> synthetic every 4,500.
>>
>> All in all, cheap insurance. I wish I knew what moonbeam has against
>> changing oil.
>>
>>
> 3.5 quarts at $3.00 each = $10.50
> 1 filter = $4.00
>
> call it $15.00 with drain plug washer.
>
> oil analysis costs $22.50 [blackstone].
>
> 4 changes at 3000 miles each = $60.00 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis =
> $37.50
>
> what? you don't work for nasa???

Not any more.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:38:56 -0400, Polfus wrote:

>
>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>
> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>
> If so, then knock yourself out.
>
> Polfus

I generally run my cars no more than 5 miles per trip, and I try to plan
it so trips are 10 miles or more. This gives the oil a chance to get warm
enough to deal with any contaminents built up from starting and helps to
keep it from turning acidic longer. I also try to run my cars as fast as
possible (observing local laws, of course) generally 40-50 MPH wherever I
go. I live in a rural area so it's easy to do. All this helps the oil
better than a number of 2-3 mile trips with long stops in between, or stop
and start driving.

And I still change dino oil at 3,000 and synth at 4,500.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>
>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>
>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>
>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>
> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.

TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!

And you have the balls to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?

I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
miles!!!

And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the bill
for their negligence.

People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
no build-up at all.

Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:

Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
months.

Hachiroku ��ロク wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> 1 change at 12000 + 1 analysis = $42.50
>>> I'm still at $26.00.
>>>
>>>> what? you don't work for nasa???
>>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.
>
> TWELVE THOUSAND MILES?!?!?!?!
>
> And you have the balls to lecture *ME* on 'proper oil changes'?
>
> I am pretty sure the manual indicates something much less than 12,000
> miles!!!
>
> And, all the people that came in with sludged Camry and Sienna engines?
> Guess how often they changed their oil? Gee, it was 12,000 miles (or
> more)! And the manual said 7,500. Luckily for them, Toyota footed the bill
> for their negligence.

what am i talking about? do you NEVER read? "analysis" is the name of
the game.


>
> People who followed the maintenance schedule had minimal (accetable)
> sludge levels, and the ones smart enough to change every 3,000 miles had
> no build-up at all.
>
> Honda's Owner's Manula for a 2001 Accord says:
>
> Replace Engine Oil Replace every 7,500 miles (12,000 km) or 12
> months.

spend a little money on knowing what you're talking about.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:45:05 -0500, Joe wrote:

> On 2008-05-15, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree
>> that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil
>> that often.
>
> I try to change the oil whenever I fill the gas tank. You just can't be
> too careful...

Gil comes limping into the parking lot in a 'vintage' Mustang, engine
running hard but barely moving. Wanted to know what was wrong with her
car.

After checking the battery, alternator, etc, we pulled the dipstick. Oil
was well above the 'full' mark, and with a bright light we could see oil
in the dipstick tube.

"When did you last change your oil?"
"I don't remember, but I just had a quart put in yesterday."

Turns out, whenever she added gas to the tank, she also had them throw in
a quart of oil. Don't know where she was going for gas, but if they
weren't looking at the dipstick, I'd get my gas elsewhere...