Hybrid Fuel Cost ComParison

L Alpert wrote:
>
> I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a
> lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial
> material I have seen.

Yes, but the Prius really does *usually* do better in the city than the
highway. Is possible to do worse in the city but that requires extreme
effort.

richard schumacher wrote:
> In article <R623j.24797$JD.16681@newssvr21.news. >,
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx> wrote:
>
>> I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers
>> advertise a lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of
>> the commercial material I have seen.
>
> In the US automakers are required to show only the EPA's figures,
> which are faulty. Real Priuses usually get better fuel economy on
> the highway than in stop-and-go city driving.

That very well may be the case, though I was speaking of all hybrids in
general. Not sure if the Prius would be considered an outlier or not....

Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:10 -0800 (PST), EdV <systmengr@m>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 27, 12:53 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:31:46 -0800, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I
>>>> suspect that is not what you want to hear.
>>>
>>> All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and
>>> the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year
>>> warranty. Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due
>>> to wear and tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over
>>> 200,000 miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who
>> owns a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used
>> Prius batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding
>> up?,
>
> There are a fair number of experimenters making all-electric cars and
> modifying hybrids to be plug-in hybrids.

One would have to see the numbers for this plug in to recharge application.
Electric rates are +$0.20 KWH where I live!

News wrote:
> L Alpert wrote:
>
>> Gordon McGrew wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:10 -0800 (PST), EdV
>>> <systmengr@m> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 12:53 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:31:46 -0800, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I
>>>>>> suspect that is not what you want to hear.
>>>>>
>>>>> All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well
>>>>> and the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year
>>>>> warranty. Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack
>>>>> due to wear and tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with
>>>>> over 200,000 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who
>>>> owns a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used
>>>> Prius batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding
>>>> up?,
>>>
>>> There are a fair number of experimenters making all-electric cars
>>> and modifying hybrids to be plug-in hybrids.
>>
>>
>> One would have to see the numbers for this plug in to recharge
>> application. Electric rates are +$0.20 KWH where I live!
>>
>>
>
> The ideal solution would be middle of the night/off-peak charging,
> where rates are frequently a small fraction of average.

We have no allowances for off peak usage that I know of.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:53:59 -0500, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx>
wrote:

>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:10 -0800 (PST), EdV <systmengr@m>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 12:53 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:31:46 -0800, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I
>>>>> suspect that is not what you want to hear.
>>>>
>>>> All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and
>>>> the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year
>>>> warranty. Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due
>>>> to wear and tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over
>>>> 200,000 miles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who
>>> owns a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used
>>> Prius batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding
>>> up?,
>>
>> There are a fair number of experimenters making all-electric cars and
>> modifying hybrids to be plug-in hybrids.
>
>One would have to see the numbers for this plug in to recharge application.
>Electric rates are +$0.20 KWH where I live!

Not accounting for storage losses and drivetrain inefficiency, I would
estimate that $0.20/KWH equates to gas at $0.80 to 1.60 per gallon.

richard schumacher wrote:
> In article <X6B4j.27313$JD.5474@newssvr21.news.> ,
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx> wrote:
>
>>> The ideal solution would be middle of the night/off-peak charging,
>>> where rates are frequently a small fraction of average.
>>
>> We have no allowances for off peak usage that I know of.
>
> You should investigate alternate electric providers, if available.

Yes, I have. They are all within about $.01-.005 per KWH. The deregulation
smells of collusion.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:35:43 GMT, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx>
wrote:

>richard schumacher wrote:
>> In article <X6B4j.27313$JD.5474@newssvr21.news.> ,
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx> wrote:
>>
>>>> The ideal solution would be middle of the night/off-peak charging,
>>>> where rates are frequently a small fraction of average.
>>>
>>> We have no allowances for off peak usage that I know of.
>>
>> You should investigate alternate electric providers, if available.
>
>Yes, I have. They are all within about $.01-.005 per KWH. The deregulation
>smells of collusion.
>

It isn't collusion, it's fraud. The, so called, alternate electric
providers don't provide anything except an alternate address to mail
your check to. The electricity they sell you is purchased from the
old provider and brought to your house by the old provider. How can
it be much cheaper than the electricity the old company sells to you?

Here's a dirty little secret they don't tell you. In order to get a
slightly cheaper rate, they sign interruptible contracts with the
generating company. If there is a shortage of power your electricity
is shut off.

You better look into the gift horse's mouth if you know what's good
for you.

Jack

I've got a Toyota Highlander Hybrid. Highway mileage is indeed less than
the suburban driving.

Walt

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xx> wrote in message
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> richard schumacher wrote:
>> In article <R623j.24797$JD.16681@newssvr21.news. >,
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xx> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers
>>> advertise a lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of
>>> the commercial material I have seen.
>>
>> In the US automakers are required to show only the EPA's figures,
>> which are faulty. Real Priuses usually get better fuel economy on
>> the highway than in stop-and-go city driving.
>
> That very well may be the case, though I was speaking of all hybrids in
> general. Not sure if the Prius would be considered an outlier or not....
>

City driving produces more regenerative braking than highway driving.

On Dec 6, 10:13 pm, <waterbi...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> I've got a Toyota Highlander Hybrid. Highway mileage is indeed less than
> the suburban driving.
>
> Walt