Stop the old oil change arguments...here's the scoop

On Mar 28, 11:17 am, Puddin' Man <puddingDOT...@> wrote:
> Methinks p'raps the top priority shouldn't be changing oil
> by the odometer, but rather -checking- the oil religiously
> at reasonable intervals.
>
> So I try to check my oil at least every 500 mi. If it had
> lots more miles on it or I thought there might be a problem,
> I'd check more often.
>
> If your oil is up to level, is reasonably clear (not too dirty),
> is properly viscous, free of foreign substances, and doesn't
> smell "burnt" etc, chances are you don't need an oil change.
> Eh?
>
> Cheers,
> Puddin'
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:48:39 -0400, "twotone" <twot...@tonedown.cam> wrote:
> >I am the world's top authority on oil changes. Call me
> >Mr. Motor Oil.
>
> >Here's the bottom line on oil changes: The 3,000 mile interval is
> >a myth that the oil companies and oil change places have perpetuated.
>
> >It certainly wouldn't HURT to change your oil every 100 miles, but
> >even the most thick-headed can see that this would be overkill.
>
> >I change my oil and filter in my Japanese car every 4,000 miles
> >and always have---and this is lots of city driving, and it is
> >STILL overkill. The car has over 180,000 miles on it, has never
> >required anything more than basic maintenance (no engine work)
> >and is still going like new. I've always used Castrol GTX dino, but
> >many quality brands will do.
>
> >In my BMW, I change my oil about every 8,500 miles (if I followed
> >the "computer" it would be more like every 12,000 miles or so),
> >and use Mobile 1 Synthetic, which is overkill, but I do it anyway.
> >I just enjoy changing my oil I guess. But, you hard heads, do
> >the environment a favor and stop the unecessary oil changing.
>
> "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather
> than the victim."
> - Bertrand Russell

The military approach is probably the most environmentally friendly.
At certain intervals oil samples are taken from the vehicles and sent
for analysis. The actual need for a full oil change is dictated by
the lab results. Vehicles in need of oil changes are sent to an
organizational maintenance shop for the process. I doubt that the
interval is as often as 3,000 miles.

Look at the figures below to see how approximately how much oil changes cost
you at various intervals and how much oil you actually save. Also look at
how
much gasoline your car will use over the same 100,000 mile period, and how
much
you save. No science. Just reasonable mathematical estimates., gas assumed
to be
US2.75 per American gallon, and oil at $2.29 per quart. Filter estimated at
$5.

MPG
Miles
Gallons
Value (2.75)

12
100,000
8333.333
22916.67

18

5555.556
15277.78

24

4166.667
11458.33

30

3333.333
9166.667

42

2380.952
6547.619

Oil changes at
3000
5000
7500
10000

Changes

33.33333
20
13.33333
10

Cost

548.3333
329
219.3333
164.5

Gallons used
41.66667
25
16.66667
12.5

twotone wrote:
> I am the world's top authority on oil changes. Call me
> Mr. Motor Oil.
>
> Here's the bottom line on oil changes: The 3,000 mile interval is
> a myth that the oil companies and oil change places have perpetuated.
>
> It certainly wouldn't HURT to change your oil every 100 miles, but
> even the most thick-headed can see that this would be overkill.
>
> I change my oil and filter in my Japanese car every 4,000 miles
> and always have---and this is lots of city driving, and it is
> STILL overkill. The car has over 180,000 miles on it, has never
> required anything more than basic maintenance (no engine work)
> and is still going like new. I've always used Castrol GTX dino, but
> many quality brands will do.
>
> In my BMW, I change my oil about every 8,500 miles (if I followed
> the "computer" it would be more like every 12,000 miles or so),
> and use Mobile 1 Synthetic, which is overkill, but I do it anyway.
> I just enjoy changing my oil I guess. But, you hard heads, do
> the environment a favor and stop the unecessary oil changing.
>
>
>

What is this motor oil that you are all arguing about?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY

"twotone" <twotone@tonedown.cam> wrote in message
news:d7wOh.2188$78.203@bignews1....
> I am the world's top authority on oil changes. Call me
> Mr. Motor Oil.
>
> Here's the bottom line on oil changes: The 3,000 mile interval is
> a myth that the oil companies and oil change places have perpetuated.
>
> It certainly wouldn't HURT to change your oil every 100 miles, but
> even the most thick-headed can see that this would be overkill.
>
> I change my oil and filter in my Japanese car every 4,000 miles
> and always have---and this is lots of city driving, and it is
> STILL overkill. The car has over 180,000 miles on it, has never
> required anything more than basic maintenance (no engine work)
> and is still going like new. I've always used Castrol GTX dino, but
> many quality brands will do.
>
> In my BMW, I change my oil about every 8,500 miles (if I followed
> the "computer" it would be more like every 12,000 miles or so),
> and use Mobile 1 Synthetic, which is overkill, but I do it anyway.
> I just enjoy changing my oil I guess. But, you hard heads, do
> the environment a favor and stop the unecessary oil changing.

Back in 1987 a fella by the name of Albert Klein of Pasadena, Calif, drove
into Santa Monica Volkswagen, had hoped to find a good engine rebuilder...
VW asked the man how he was able to put a million miles on his 63 Beetle -
Klein said that he had changed his oil every 2000 miles.. VW ended up giving
the man a brand NEW Volkswagen.

Was depicted in 87 on front page Los Angeles Times!

By Jan. 1993 Klein added an additional 400,000+ miles to his Beetle's
(original factory built) engine!
--
Bing, Bang, BOOM, Voila-Done!

"Daryl Bryant" <sealsforensecure@charterseals.net> wrote in message
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> "twotone" <twotone@tonedown.cam> wrote in message
> news:d7wOh.2188$78.203@bignews1....
> > I am the world's top authority on oil changes. Call me
> > Mr. Motor Oil.
> >
> > Here's the bottom line on oil changes: The 3,000 mile interval is
> > a myth that the oil companies and oil change places have perpetuated.
> >
> > It certainly wouldn't HURT to change your oil every 100 miles, but
> > even the most thick-headed can see that this would be overkill.
> >
> > I change my oil and filter in my Japanese car every 4,000 miles
> > and always have---and this is lots of city driving, and it is
> > STILL overkill. The car has over 180,000 miles on it, has never
> > required anything more than basic maintenance (no engine work)
> > and is still going like new. I've always used Castrol GTX dino, but
> > many quality brands will do.
> >
> > In my BMW, I change my oil about every 8,500 miles (if I followed
> > the "computer" it would be more like every 12,000 miles or so),
> > and use Mobile 1 Synthetic, which is overkill, but I do it anyway.
> > I just enjoy changing my oil I guess. But, you hard heads, do
> > the environment a favor and stop the unecessary oil changing.
>
> Back in 1987 a fella by the name of Albert Klein of Pasadena, Calif, drove
> into Santa Monica Volkswagen, had hoped to find a good engine rebuilder...
> VW asked the man how he was able to put a million miles on his 63
eetle -

woops - that would be a 66 Beetle!

> Klein said that he had changed his oil every 2000 miles.. VW ended up
giving
> the man a brand NEW Volkswagen.
>
> Was depicted in 87 on front page Los Angeles Times!
>
> By Jan. 1993 Klein added an additional 400,000+ miles to his Beetle's
> (original factory built) engine!
> --
> Bing, Bang, BOOM, Voila-Done!
>
>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:48:39 -0400, "twotone" <twotone@tonedown.cam>
wrote:

>I am the world's top authority on oil changes. Call me
>Mr. Motor Oil.
>
>Here's the bottom line on oil changes: The 3,000 mile interval is
>a myth that the oil companies and oil change places have perpetuated.
>
>It certainly wouldn't HURT to change your oil every 100 miles, but
>even the most thick-headed can see that this would be overkill.
>
>I change my oil and filter in my Japanese car every 4,000 miles
>and always have---and this is lots of city driving, and it is
>STILL overkill. The car has over 180,000 miles on it, has never
>required anything more than basic maintenance (no engine work)
>and is still going like new. I've always used Castrol GTX dino, but
>many quality brands will do.
>
>In my BMW, I change my oil about every 8,500 miles (if I followed
>the "computer" it would be more like every 12,000 miles or so),
>and use Mobile 1 Synthetic, which is overkill, but I do it anyway.
>I just enjoy changing my oil I guess. But, you hard heads, do
>the environment a favor and stop the unecessary oil changing.

I change my oil once a year regardless of milage.

I car lasted until 350K miles with no core engine work ever.

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

> twotone wrote:
>
> > BTW, I'm still on the original clutch with my
> > 5-speed manual Japanese car.
>
> Now that's hard to believe. 180K on one clutch.?? I've had manuals
> before and the clutches go out overnight.

No surprise in your case. I've driven manuals all my life and I've only ever had
to replace one clutch plate (on a car that already had 90,000 mi on it).

Graham

"Bob Brown" <.> wrote in message
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>
> I change my oil once a year regardless of milage.

Probably not a bad policy; actually quite prudent I'd think.
Seems to have worked well for you...

>
> I car lasted until 350K miles with no core engine work ever.
>
>

"Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote:

> The Corrado was also a sweet car, but I like your analogy to a Beta-Test.
> It really could have been something. I live in New England, and I see a
> LOT of rotten ones. Seems they rusted before their time; unusual for a
> German car! Usually the steel is so thick and of such a high quality that
> with regular washings and waxings, the bodies last a LONG time!

Electro-galvanised steel is the key to non-rusting cars.

It's *that* simple.

Graham

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:29:36 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@m> wrote:
>>"Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote:
>>
>>> The Corrado was also a sweet car, but I like your analogy to a
>>> Beta-Test. It really could have been something. I live in New England,
>>> and I see a LOT of rotten ones. Seems they rusted before their time;
>>> unusual for a German car! Usually the steel is so thick and of such a
>>> high quality that with regular washings and waxings, the bodies last a
>>> LONG time!
>>
>>Electro-galvanised steel is the key to non-rusting cars.
>>
>>It's *that* simple.
>
> Sure, but the paint falls off. And, if you get ONE scratch on it, it
> rusts.
>
> The REAL solution is stainless steel. Harder to stamp and you can't do
> deep body curves, but it worked for DeLorean. --scott

Hmmm....ever seen a painted DeLorean? I saw a red one once...

$10,000 for the paint and prep work to cover the stainless!