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Old 13th October 2005, 06:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:37:36 GMT, "Philip"
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> Go drive around Canada where everyone has DRLs. National funeral
>procession ... leaving nobody any more visible than any other. A sea of
>headlights. DRL works with motorcycles because they are a much smaller
>visual target head on.
>

Perhaps no vehicle with DRLs is more visible than any other vehicle
with DRLs. A vehicle with DRLs will be more visible than the same
vehicle in the same situation w/out DRLs. If making a vehcile more
visible to others is a bad idea why even have lights of any kind on an
automibile?
 
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Old 13th October 2005, 09:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:37:36 GMT, "Philip"
> <1chip-state1@> wrote:
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>>
>> Go drive around Canada where everyone has DRLs. National funeral
>>procession ... leaving nobody any more visible than any other. A sea of
>>headlights. DRL works with motorcycles because they are a much smaller
>>visual target head on.
>>

> Perhaps no vehicle with DRLs is more visible than any other vehicle
> with DRLs. A vehicle with DRLs will be more visible than the same
> vehicle in the same situation w/out DRLs. If making a vehcile more
> visible to others is a bad idea why even have lights of any kind on an
> automibile?


Just for clarity, the point I was making is that when all vehicles have
DRLs, they all become equally "visible" again. The reason DRLs have worked
with motorcycles is that ONLY motorcycles have been required to have them
here in the USA. But in a population where ALL vehicles have DRLs,
motorcycles lose that distinct advantage.
 
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Old 13th October 2005, 05:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:25:50 GMT, "Philip"
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>"Registered User" <n4jvp@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:37:36 GMT, "Philip"
>> <1chip-state1@> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Go drive around Canada where everyone has DRLs. National funeral
>>>procession ... leaving nobody any more visible than any other. A sea of
>>>headlights. DRL works with motorcycles because they are a much smaller
>>>visual target head on.
>>>

>> Perhaps no vehicle with DRLs is more visible than any other vehicle
>> with DRLs. A vehicle with DRLs will be more visible than the same
>> vehicle in the same situation w/out DRLs. If making a vehcile more
>> visible to others is a bad idea why even have lights of any kind on an
>> automibile?

>
>Just for clarity, the point I was making is that when all vehicles have
>DRLs, they all become equally "visible" again.

Equally visible but more visible with DRLs than without.
>The reason DRLs have worked
>with motorcycles is that ONLY motorcycles have been required to have them
>here in the USA. But in a population where ALL vehicles have DRLs,
>motorcycles lose that distinct advantage.
>

No, every vehicle with DRLs gains that advantage. That all are equal
does not make any one less than equal. Substitute night for day in
your POV and there is no reason why any vehicle should have any
running lights at any time. The sea of lights you complain about will
never be a bother ever again, especially since ambient light levels
seemingly provide more than enough illumination at any time of the day
or night.

DRLs overcome minimal operator error but do not resolve all nor create
any operator error. I've had my say and I'll not argue further until
it is quantified that DRL usage increases accident rates. There are
decades of actuarial data you can research,

regards
A.G.
 
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"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
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> "Philip" <1chip-state1@> wrote:
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>>The wording should have been better. Take II: In America where DRLs are
>>not required, motorcycles with their DRL requirement do stand out better
>>when a low angled sun is behind the motorcyclist.

>
> Philip, you seem to value this "Stand out better" thing, as far
> as I know the purpose of DRL's is to make a vehicle VISIBLE. Not
> to make it 'stand out' from others.

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> Gord


(once again), a distinction without a difference. Here in the land of
"DRLs Not Required", having DRLs on motorcycles makes them stand from
surrounding vehicles particularly when the sun is at a low angle behind the
rider.
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- Philip
 
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