Disabling the daytime driving lights

In news:xn0dzo6yy19rcs8000@news.,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@> typed:
> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>
> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
> anymore.

I *just* asked the same of my Toyota dealer about my new 4 runner as it
states in the manual that it can be done by the dealer. The dealer told me
that it was not as simple as removing a fuse...they needed to rewire some
things, etc. because by removing the fuse you would not have lights. Said it
would cost about $180 or so. That was the end of if for me :-)

....Allen

badgolferman wrote:

> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
> Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
> want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>
> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
> anymore.

???

Isn't it the very old cars that don't have'em?

Just curious, how can DRL annoy the driver? They are visible to drivers
of /other/ vehicles.

Tercel Owner

The Real Tom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:13:14 GMT, "Philip"
> <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>
>> Tom: Please cite the law you claim "exposes yourself to severe
>> litigation issues". (for disabling an alleged safety device)
>> Considering fewer and fewer vehicles are DRL equipped, so equipping
>> one vehicle and not the next is a policy of sorts.
>
> I'm sure you're old enough to know the law has almost nothing to do
> with civil cases. Breaking of laws just speed up the settling period.
> :-P
>
> tom, not a lawyer!

CITE THE LAW you say exists.
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- Philip

Tercel Owner wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>
>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>> anymore.
>
> ???
>
> Isn't it the very old cars that don't have'em?
>
> Just curious, how can DRL annoy the driver? They are visible to
> drivers of /other/ vehicles.
>
> Tercel Owner

There is NO uniform law requiring DRLs on any catagory of passenger car or
truck. All you have to do is look around.
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- Philip

Philip wrote:

> There is NO uniform law requiring DRLs on any catagory of passenger car or
> truck. All you have to do is look around.

Nor is there any science to suggest that they make anything safer. I
think Canada requires them, but the US doesn't. Chevy started to offer
them, and they are an option on some Toyotas, but that's about it. I
don't think any of the other manufacturers offer them, but I'm not sure.

They were optional on the 2001 Tundra, but not required. My daughter's
99 Camry has them, my 2001 Tundra, my son's 2000 Tacoma, and my wife's
2002 Rav 4 don't.

Someone would have to prove that they are effective safety devices AND
that their removal was the cause of injury or damage to prevail in a law
suit.

Not legal advice, just my opinion.

Gary

Have you tried applying the parking brake to the first notch,
backing off the adjustment and covering the indicator light?

mike hunt

"Allen L." wrote:
>

The dealer told me
> that it was not as simple as removing a fuse...they needed to rewire some
> things, etc. because by removing the fuse you would not have lights. Said it
> would cost about $180 or so. That was the end of if for me :-)
>
> ...Allen

Leonard <Leonard> wrote:

>The Chevrolet Impala I am assigned has a surveillance button on the
>dash to disable the DRLs when needed. It is a part of the police
>package. Sometimes we (the police) have a need to drive short
>distances with no lights or sit watching locations with engine running
>and lights off.
>

Of course Leonard...but that's hardly a typical install now is
it?
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
> Ever see one of those guys on TV that can make elephants, lions
> and even ships and mountains disappear? What is always one of
> the props?
>

A cute young women with big boobs? <G>

Gary

MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:

>Ever see one of those guys on TV that can make elephants, lions
>and even ships and mountains disappear? What is always one of
>the props?
>
>
>mike hunt
>

A very large tent?...

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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

The Real Tom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:14:18 GMT, "Philip"
> <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>> The Real Tom wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:13:14 GMT, "Philip"
>>> <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tom: Please cite the law you claim "exposes yourself to severe
>>>> litigation issues". (for disabling an alleged safety device)
>>>> Considering fewer and fewer vehicles are DRL equipped, so equipping
>>>> one vehicle and not the next is a policy of sorts.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you're old enough to know the law has almost nothing to do
>>> with civil cases. Breaking of laws just speed up the settling
>>> period. :-P
>>>
>>> tom, not a lawyer!
>>
>> CITE THE LAW you say exists.
>
>
> I never said there was a specific law about DRL.
>
> As far as my commment about laws in general, you can formulate from
> news reports that even when you haven't broken specific laws, you can
> find jury's awarding judgements against you.
>
> tom

Juries are not judges. Only judges can rule.
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- Philip