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Old 8th November 2008, 06:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Tea goes bad in thermos.

On Nov 7, 2:00 pm, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 If you are drinking Liptons US does the package still say
> Brisk a code word for bitter.  It makes a good iced tea but not hot.


Brisk is not bitter. Brisk is defined by ISO 6078-1982 (Black tea -
Vocabulary) as "2113. Describes a live taste in the liquor as opposed
to flat or soft". In the sense that Tommy Lipton popularized Brisk
(and doing so earned him millions plus a knighthood), it meant
astringency and what tea tasters still call 'point' - "2167. Describes
a most desirable brisk, pungent characteristic" Pungent is defined as
"2169. Describes a tea liquor having marked briskness and an
astringent effect on the palate without bitterness. A most desirable
cup characteristic". Interestingly ISO 6078-1982 (in defining 207
terms based on the usage of tea tasting experts in the trade) does not
define Bitter. The closest to what the lay man would identify as
bitter (a much maligned taste) would be the tea tasting terms "Raw"
and "Harsh".

Nigel at Teacraft
 
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Old 8th November 2008, 07:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Bitter is part of the tea vernacular. I know a tea is bitter when it
raises the hair on my neck. Hum the ISO uses the word bitterness
without defining Bitter.

Jim

PS When I get sick I am drinking the teas that raise the hairs on my
neck like pinhead gunpowder. No need for nuances. Ill guarantee the
Lipton tea stew that is used to make iced tea is bitter. It is
diluted to robust another term for pungent and astringent.

On Nov 8, 4:23 am, Nigel <ni...@teacraft.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2:00 pm, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> If you are drinking Liptons US does the package still say
>
> > Brisk a code word for bitter. It makes a good iced tea but not hot.

>
> Brisk is not bitter. Brisk is defined by ISO 6078-1982 (Black tea -
> Vocabulary) as "2113. Describes a live taste in the liquor as opposed
> to flat or soft". In the sense that Tommy Lipton popularized Brisk
> (and doing so earned him millions plus a knighthood), it meant
> astringency and what tea tasters still call 'point' - "2167. Describes
> a most desirable brisk, pungent characteristic" Pungent is defined as
> "2169. Describes a tea liquor having marked briskness and an
> astringent effect on the palate without bitterness. A most desirable
> cup characteristic". Interestingly ISO 6078-1982 (in defining 207
> terms based on the usage of tea tasting experts in the trade) does not
> define Bitter. The closest to what the lay man would identify as
> bitter (a much maligned taste) would be the tea tasting terms "Raw"
> and "Harsh".
>
> Nigel at Teacraft
 
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