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Old 26th October 2006, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
Dominic T.
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psyflakem wrote:
> Unfortunately from what I´ve learned up there it´s not that easy for
> outsiders - not impossible though, but I personally don´t expect
> things to radically change in the near future. This game is still 100%
> ruled by money and traditions, with very few noteworthy exceptions,
> sniff ...
> See conventional vs. bio-organical farming, or packing teas [grrrr] -
> why change anything ?
> Also remember that not only the odd garden but the whole tea industry
> in DJ had been lying in ruins several times in the 50s, 60s and 70s and
> nobody, except the workers gave a SH.T. To give you an idea: 8 months
> ago when my neighbor´s house burnt down, the fire brigade arrived 1
> hour late AND without water. Get the point ?
>
> The clocks tick pretty slow up there, on the other hand this makes it
> so damn charming.
>
> Back to nettles and rose-buds ...
>
> Karsten [2006 Alishan]


Wow, great post... the clock does indeed tick slower and I love that as
well... and tea has staunchly stayed traditional and old school. There
is nothing wrong with that, and I could see how this idea would be seen
as radical or unworthy to any true puerh artisans but I bet there are a
few radical ones who wouldn't be afraid to step out of the box to try
something new. Finding that needle in a large haystack is another
story... I'd still love to taste it though.

on a slight side-note... I think I've seen you mention a love for the
muscatel/muscat flavors... if so there is an amazing drink made by a
company called Haitai. It is a little squat cola-like can with the word
Muscat on the front. It is amazing. It is a pure muscat drink with
small chunks of muscat all through it. mmm. I get it in asian markets
(especially Korean groceries). Also I've recently become a complete
devotee of moscato wines.

Another slight tangent, I had a great conversation with the owner of a
local indian restaraunt I frequent by my home and he was telling me how
the culture is changing quite rapidly in India and he isn't happy. With
Bangalore booming and such he stated how his mother is trying to hold
onto her values such as making everything from scratch and not eating
packaged foods and preservatives and such. That is what is good about
those places, and unfortunately to try to "compete" with the west they
are accelerating too rapidly to our unhealthy fast-paced lives and I
(and he) think it is a huge mistake. In that way I'd love to never see
DJ puerh, just to keep them honest and traditional. But damn would I
love to try it :)

- Dominic
 
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Old 26th October 2006, 12:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Dominic T. wrote:
> Another slight tangent, I had a great conversation with the owner of a
> local indian restaraunt I frequent by my home and he was telling me how
> the culture is changing quite rapidly in India and he isn't happy.


Having spent most of my asian past in Nepal and India I can only agree,
and while not too happy about those changes mentioned I´d leave the
choice with the locals.
The last time in DJ I had my friend, a highly educated head-monk of a
very traditional well-known monastery live in my room. He was about to
give up his old live [monastery, family, village] in favor of pursuing
a western style career. He had no idea as to where, how or what to
start, just going somewhere, learn something and make $$.
Back in Nepal it all started with the introduction of satellite TV some
years back. Once they´ve seen it, they wanted ["needed"] it.
Despite all cultural differences among those 80+ people one could
understand Nepal as one big family, and the same thing that happened
here at the beginning of industrialisation, social security in a big
family slowly being replaced by financial security [bio-survival notes]
happens big time over there these days with the well known devastating
effects and this is but one aspect of the complex changes happening. Go
to China to have a look at almost the same story in Fast-Forward mode.

> In that way I'd love to never see DJ puerh, just to keep them honest and traditional.


As soon as I´m back there I´ll give it a shot and see what happens. I
got some pressing molds waiting, hehe

> Also I've recently become a complete devotee of moscato wines.


Dunno about Haitai, never seen it, but I´m partial to
"Gewürztraminer" myself, shllllrp...

Karsten ["Thiele silver" Ostfriesen blend]


> psyflakem wrote:
> > Unfortunately from what I´ve learned up there it´s not that easy for
> > outsiders - not impossible though, but I personally don´t expect
> > things to radically change in the near future. This game is still 100%
> > ruled by money and traditions, with very few noteworthy exceptions,
> > sniff ...
> > See conventional vs. bio-organical farming, or packing teas [grrrr] -
> > why change anything ?
> > Also remember that not only the odd garden but the whole tea industry
> > in DJ had been lying in ruins several times in the 50s, 60s and 70s and
> > nobody, except the workers gave a SH.T. To give you an idea: 8 months
> > ago when my neighbor´s house burnt down, the fire brigade arrived 1
> > hour late AND without water. Get the point ?
> >
> > The clocks tick pretty slow up there, on the other hand this makes it
> > so damn charming.
> >
> > Back to nettles and rose-buds ...
> >
> > Karsten [2006 Alishan]

>
> Wow, great post... the clock does indeed tick slower and I love that as
> well... and tea has staunchly stayed traditional and old school. There
> is nothing wrong with that, and I could see how this idea would be seen
> as radical or unworthy to any true puerh artisans but I bet there are a
> few radical ones who wouldn't be afraid to step out of the box to try
> something new. Finding that needle in a large haystack is another
> story... I'd still love to taste it though.
>
> on a slight side-note... I think I've seen you mention a love for the
> muscatel/muscat flavors... if so there is an amazing drink made by a
> company called Haitai. It is a little squat cola-like can with the word
> Muscat on the front. It is amazing. It is a pure muscat drink with
> small chunks of muscat all through it. mmm. I get it in asian markets
> (especially Korean groceries). Also I've recently become a complete
> devotee of moscato wines.
>
> Another slight tangent, I had a great conversation with the owner of a
> local indian restaraunt I frequent by my home and he was telling me how
> the culture is changing quite rapidly in India and he isn't happy. With
> Bangalore booming and such he stated how his mother is trying to hold
> onto her values such as making everything from scratch and not eating
> packaged foods and preservatives and such. That is what is good about
> those places, and unfortunately to try to "compete" with the west they
> are accelerating too rapidly to our unhealthy fast-paced lives and I
> (and he) think it is a huge mistake. In that way I'd love to never see
> DJ puerh, just to keep them honest and traditional. But damn would I
> love to try it :)
>
> - Dominic
 
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Hey, thanks for the link. Unfortunately we´re a bit short on Koreans
and their supplies over here, I tried some of their non-energy related
canned stuff back in Asia. Instead we´ve got Thai and Vietnamese
places in abundance and I like their food a lot. Snatched some
fish for another big pot of Thai fish soup today.

Talking about slow organic decomposition, are you a kimchi man, Dominic
?
Any kimchi folks ´round here ?

K ... [ready for the sack]
 
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