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Old 14th January 2006, 02:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
Jason F in Los Angeles
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Wish I had specific answers for you.

But I've contacted several tea importers in China in my quests for
quality tea, and they referred to such particles as "fannings" and
"dust," where "fannings" are slightly better (larger pieces of leaf?)
than "dust." One vendor was selling the fannings for something like 90
cents per kg and dust for 80 cents per kg.

Considering those prices and comparing them to whole leaf tea, which
costs upwards of 10 times as much, that might give you some idea about
the quality of the tea dust or fannings.

Additionally, most tea is processed in clean environments, and often
using using fully or partially mechanized processes to sort leaves,
especially Indian and African teas, which make up the bulk of Lipton
bags, I hear. So chances are the dust and/or fannings are sorted out by
machine before they hit any floors. :) Even if the dust does hit the
floor, it probably does so _after_ the floor has been cleaned, and
probably gets swept out every day and packaged up.

Lastly, one of the stores in my Chinatown repackages and sells at a
discount the "fannings" that filter to the bottom of their tea
shipments. If only I could find the fannings of the $300/lb oolongs in
that discount basket...
 
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Old 14th January 2006, 03:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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To have a guy literally sweeping dust off the floor into a bag or something
would be too much labor expense. I imagine the dust falls to the lowest
conveyor belt and is packaged like the other grades. In my local (chain)
grocery stores you can buy "gourmet" (eg Twinings, Stash) tea bags at ~$3.00
for 20. This is a HUGE markup and these companies have vast profit margins,
which is why there's a wall of different tea bags in the store but zero
loose leaf.
 
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Old 14th January 2006, 09:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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One story my local tea shoppe owner heard at the Las Vegas tea
conventions, is that the most desired tea in factories by workers
collect on the ventilation filters. It is much smaller than fines.
Besides brewing it is used for cooking and a nasal inhalant substitute
for tobacco snuff. I like teabags for Asian markets better than
Western. I've always discounted any factory floor tea stories. It
would be easier putting in more filters than using more brooms.
Particulate in the air is an explosive. Tea is an agricultural
product. Always boil your water.

Jim

Barky Bark wrote:
> To have a guy literally sweeping dust off the floor into a bag or something
> would be too much labor expense. I imagine the dust falls to the lowest
> conveyor belt and is packaged like the other grades. In my local (chain)
> grocery stores you can buy "gourmet" (eg Twinings, Stash) tea bags at ~$3.00
> for 20. This is a HUGE markup and these companies have vast profit margins,
> which is why there's a wall of different tea bags in the store but zero
> loose leaf.
 
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Old 14th January 2006, 09:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Melinda wrote:
> This upsets me only from the standpoint of implying that tea dust is
> contaminated with floor dust ...


I've never seen anyone doing that (that doesn't mean too much though)
but I've seen dust being collected at the end of the sieving/selecting
process in quite a few factories (China, India, Malaysia).

>and also that tea dust is horrible just because
> it's dust.


In the Chowk bazaar here in Darjeeling you can buy fannings and dust
that IMO result in a far better tea than some of the lousy -
overstored, murky, damp, overtoasted or simply bad - whole leaf grades.
Nice for a quick cup on the road, and DIRTcheap. One major drawback
might be that it deteoriates pretty quickly.

> in the Salem News Online today about tea, in which the writer quotes Amy
> Paulose, said to be the head of Teaosophy, saying " "The dust is the
> lowest grade," she said. "It is literally swept off the floor and into
> (American) tea bags.""


I'd really like to know where this lady made her observations, if at
all.

Karsten / Darjeeling
 
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Old 14th January 2006, 05:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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<psyflakem> wrote in message
news:1137250184.145411.11380@f14g2000cwb. ...


> I'd really like to know where this lady made her observations, if at
> all.
>
> Karsten / Darjeeling
>


I looked up her company on the web...looks like they make gourmet teabags
with a special design that hold...whole leaf teas. That might be partially
why she made such a critical comment Doesn't make it right but it does give
a motive.

Melinda
 
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Melinda wrote:
> looks like they make gourmet teabags
> with a special design that hold...whole leaf teas. That might be partially
> why she made such a critical comment


Bingo !

Karsten / Darjeeling
 
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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oleg shteynbuk wrote:
> I would agree with you that you can't beat bag tea for convenience but
> this article is definitely slanted towards bags. They didn't give too
> much info on the teas that were tasted; one explanation could be that
> loose teas that they have tasted were on the shelf for several years or
> were not very good loose teas to begin with.
>
>


I think it's unlikely that the loose tea sat on the shelves for several
years for every brand tested. Besides, there is still a reasonable
amount of tea sold in the UK, so the stock should be reasonably fresh
-- and loose tea is less finely ground than the tea in bags so it
should keep longer.

Many people would not consider these to be "good" loose teas. But the
point is that they are in the same quality range as the bagged teas.
The test would be meaningless, otherwise.

I use tea bags for my first cup in the morning before I leave for work
-- and also while I am at work. I use loose in the evenings and on
weekends when I have more time, unless I am feeling especially lazy.
The loose is better, no doubt, but not so much better that I can't
enjoy the bagged stuff.

I also fully agree with the article that the use of a teapot is more
important than the loose vs. bags issue. Tea bags brewed in a pot
always produce a superior brew to a bag brewed in a mug. I never make
tea in the mug at home, no matter how lazy I am feeling. I do brew it
in the mug at work where I lack proper tea making facilities, but it's
always better made in the pot.
 
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Old 15th January 2006, 03:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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It is basically a bunch of B.S. This same comment has been being made
for years, and it is just silly. Lipton, who is actually the company
who most claim to use "dust" actually cultivates their own leaves...
yet they just started to get into the loose tea market. So all these
years what were they doing with the "real" leaves? They powder it to be
able to make more money. It takes less tea per serving and the tea
releases its flavor quicker.

Also, what would explain the very highly prized and costly Matcha tea?
It is powdered, so it must be floor sweepings too... but we know that
is far from the real story.

I consider myself to be a tea purist and while I really enjoy a high
quality tea, I am not on such a high horse that I can't enjoy a cup of
Lipton when the mood strikes me. This claim is a bunch of bull, and in
no way true. The closest true statement was the one person who replied
about a shop selling the "fannings" or "dust" which is just what he
stated it is... that is as close as you get to "floor sweepings" and
most of that tea would still be better quality than most on the shelf
at your grocery store.
 
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