Lancair crash at SnF

Dylan Smith wrote:
> It depends on conditions at the time, how much altitude
> and airspeed you have, and what the terrain is like.

As well as the particular airplane in the situation.

On Apr 25, 11:23 pm, Stefan <stefan@mus._INVALID_.ch> wrote:
> WingFlaps schrieb:
>
> > A direction change in a
> > plane is always due to acceleration (and that means more drag). That's
> > Newtonian physics.
>
> Right.

Now we are at first base!

>
> > You go from up wind direction (takeoff is usually
> > up wind) to turn in the wind direction to land down wind. There's an
> > acceleration, it is a change in _velocity_
>
> Wrong.
>
I see the problem. You don't know what velocity is. It's a VECTOR. It
changes when you turn. If you don't understand this there's not much
point talking about anything that involves physics....

Cheers

Shirl:
> > I don't know about where you live, but malls here have lots of light
> > poles, concrete islands, park-and-rest benches and ... and ... vehicles
> > everywhere. And having gone through it once, I'm no longer fooled by
> > what *looks* "flat" at 500, or even 50 feet.

Barry:
> I'd rather hit a bus shelter or light poles @ 40-50 MPH than go in
> inverted after a stall/spin @ 200-300 AGL.

I agree. And it could be a place to go.
I was just saying that a mall/strip center parking lot isn't necessarily
the "ah...I'll go there!" place. Even at 7 a.m., there can be cars and
people everywhere.

On Apr 26, 12:12 am, Stefan <stefan@mus._INVALID_.ch> wrote:
> WingFlaps schrieb:
>
> > I see the problem. You don't know what velocity is. It's a VECTOR. It
> > changes when you turn.  If you don't understand this there's not much
> > point talking about anything that involves physics....
>
> Actually, I know an awful lot about physics.
>

So much that you mix up speed and velocity? LOL!

> In everyday's language, the word velocity stands for the _magnitude_ of
> the vector.

Nope. Not even at high school. The magnitude is "speed".

> Now if you want me to realise outside some technical or
> scientific environment that you use the word velocity in the vector
> sense, you better say so explicitely.

Gosh, this isn't a technical forum? Was my post not including
"technical" terms like acceleration?

>Still easier would be to say
> "direction".

What does "flying with the wind" imply to you, a direction or a speed?
I'd say the former but I'm only a native English speaker.

Cheers

On Apr 26, 12:18 am, Stefan <stefan@mus._INVALID_.ch> wrote:
> B A R R Y schrieb:
>
> > I'd rather hit a bus shelter or light poles @ 40-50 MPH than go in
> > inverted after a stall/spin @ 200-300 AGL.
>
> But I hope that you rather risk a stall/spin than to hit a crowd of
> pedestrians with that meat chopper turning.

I thought the engine had stopped?

Cheers

On Apr 26, 12:57 am, Stefan <stefan@mus._INVALID_.ch> wrote:
> WingFlaps schrieb:
>
> >> In everyday's language, the word velocity stands for the _magnitude_ of
> >> the vector.
>
> > Nope. Not even at high school. The magnitude is "speed".
>
> Maybe where you live. Not where I live.

BS. This is stated in any basic physics text book -even Wiki knows it:

"In physics...The scalar absolute value (magnitude) of velocity is
speed."

Cheers

> > But I hope that you rather risk a stall/spin than to hit a crowd of
> > pedestrians with that meat chopper turning.

WingFlaps <Moreflaps@> wrote:
> I thought the engine had stopped?

No, don't think the engine quit. They said it was smoking on takeoff,
and witnesses who saw it come down described how the engine sounded, so
it apparently was still running.

On Apr 25, 11:42 am, "SR20GOER" <ralcorem...@aopa.com.au> wrote:
> "WingFlaps" <Morefl...@> wrote in message

>
> Why two turns?  At 500' why not one turn and land with wind up derriere?
> And, at 500 ft I wouldn't be too worried about the radio.
> Brian- Hide quoted text -
>


Well first ya got to turn back and then you have to turn to line up
with the runway...

Cheers

Stefan wrote:
> B A R R Y schrieb:
>
>> I'd rather hit a bus shelter or light poles @ 40-50 MPH than go in
>> inverted after a stall/spin @ 200-300 AGL.
>
> But I hope that you rather risk a stall/spin than to hit a crowd of
> pedestrians with that meat chopper turning.

If the chopper were turning... <G>

Stefan <stefan@mus._INVALID_.ch> wrote in
news:f9fc$4811fd6a$54487369$3700@news.hispeed.ch:

> WingFlaps schrieb:
>
>>>>> In everyday's language, the word velocity stands for the
>>>>> _magnitude_ of the vector.
>
>>>> Nope. Not even at high school. The magnitude is "speed".
>
>>> Maybe where you live. Not where I live.
>
>> BS. This is stated in any basic physics text book -even Wiki knows
>> it:
>>
>> "In physics...The scalar absolute value (magnitude) of velocity is
>> speed."
>
> What part of "everyday's language" wasn't clear?
>

Who's everyday? is he on first or is he the shortstop?


Bertie