Cessna CBI or Jeppesen

On 08/15/07 19:16, russellfletcher@m wrote:
> I have been a lurker on this newsgroup for a while now. I am starting
> ground school in a few days and flying lessons next month. I have
> used all the posts on this newsgroup as an invaluable resource to get
> started and make decisions concerning how to go about everything. So
> many thanks to all of you already.
>
> I have already visited several schools in my area, gotten references
> for each and chosen. I have yet to pick my instructor, but have met
> two from teh school who seem great. I have already gotten my medical
> as well, so I am ready to get started.

Well, congratulations on your decision!

>
> My question is this. I have received both the King videos (a big
> bundle of several DVDs on multiple topics including the PPC series)
> and the Jeppesen DVD series for PPC) as a birthday gift several weeks
> ago. After studying all the posts on this newsgroup, I had planned
> to use the King video set for studying for the knowledge/written test.

Personally, I didn't use either of those. I used the Gleim Written Test
Prep book (the red book), but then I learn better by reading and
studying than I do watching videos.

>
> My question is this. The school I picked is a Cessna school and uses
> the Cessna CBI kit. I already have the Jeppesen kit. Should I go
> ahead and buy the Cessna kit or is the Jepp series jsut as good for
> the flight portion (flight maneuvers)? If I do go with the Jepp
> series, would it matter if I used the Cessna syllabus the school uses
> or should I use the Jeppessen syllabus? I don't want to spend the
> $350 on CDs if I can use it for air time.

Keep in mind that the pilot training as well as the written test is
really mandated by the FAA, not by any particular affiliation of the
flight school (other than Part 61 vs 141, etc.). So you should be
able to use any study aid you like: the questions on the test won't
change.

>
> Thanks for all your help in advance. Thanks Gene for a great website.
> And Bob Gardner, your book is very good. I think Rob Machado has you
> beat on humor though. :->>

Well, Rod's humor is certainly a matter of taste. I sure get a lot out
of his books, though.

>
> Russell

Best of luck in your training. I hope you'll continue to post about
your experiences.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

On 08/16/07 10:15, Gattman wrote:
>
> Were I doing it over I'd definately want the Gleim book or a similar even if
> I had the videos, because of course the Gleim book gives the FAA questions,
> answers and a brief explanation for the answer. The two should be used
> together; the DVDs will provide understanding of the concepts through
> multimedia (proven to improve understanding and retention of knowledge) and
> the Glein book will show the student exactly how the material is presented
> on the test.
>
> I'd say Gleim is more important than the DVDs, but the DVDs will make the
> process a whole lot more enjoyable, interesting and memorable.
>
> -c
> CP-ASEL-IA
>
>

The test prep really is its own "thing". I realize that some folks will
argue that you should not practice the test prep materials simply to
"pass" the test. However, I think there is a very good reason for doing
just this. The material will "stick" and you will be able to use it
later, as you progress through training and in your flying career.

For example, when you need to know about cloud clearance requirements,
altitudes where O2 is required, when and for whom seat belts are required,
etc.

It should not be used as a complete ground school. For this, I used other
books (by Kershner, Machado, FAR/AIM, etc.).


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

On Aug 15, 7:16 pm, russellfletc...@m wrote:

> My question is this. The school I picked is a Cessna school and uses
> the Cessna CBI kit. I already have the Jeppesen kit. Should I go
> ahead and buy the Cessna kit or is the Jepp series jsut as good for
> the flight portion (flight maneuvers)? If I do go with the Jepp
> series, would it matter if I used the Cessna syllabus the school uses
> or should I use the Jeppessen syllabus? I don't want to spend the
> $350 on CDs if I can use it for air time.

Its unlikely that the school will let you choose. If they use the
Cessna kit, they will want you to use the Cessna kit. Each time we fly
with students you record the lesson numbers, etc. If your kit didn't
match up with the master you would be out of sync. Not a bit deal for
a 61 operation but a serious issue for a 141 op.

-Robert, CFII

On Aug 16, 4:55 pm, russellfletc...@m wrote:

> What I was really worried about was, in the Cessna syllabus, each
> flight lesson is supported by a lab/chapter in the Cessna CBI kit.
> That seems a really optimum way to approach each flight lesson, study
> material going over precisely what each flight lesson will cover (or
> so the syllabus says). But the two don't really match for each
> lesson, although overall, the same material is taught. I really just
> wanted to know if using the Cessna syllabus and using the maneuvers
> portion of the Jeppesen videos was still optimum, or should I ask my
> instructor to use the Jeppesn syllabus, or is the Cessna system
> plainly superior to Jeppesen's and I should just buy the Cessna kit.
> Understanding of course that I already have the King video series and
> I know the Cessna system is made by them. I could always refer to the
> King videos if I wanted to review any topics covered, as well as the
> several reference books I have.

For a 141 operation, the requirement is that you do the lessons in
order. However, you don't have to always proceed to the next lesson.
In fact solo is usually lesson 9 (after 8 hours), its not unusual to
see lesson 8 in a master sheet 3 or 4 times for a given student. Don't
feel rushed, you can go at your own pace but you just can't skip over
a lesson and move on to the next (that is a big, big no-no). Again
though, your lesson sheet needs to be the same as the school's master.
The fastest way to get your butt chewed out as a CFI at a 141 school
is to have errors in the master log (probably because that is what the
FAA audits). I recall a CFI getting a 10 minute dress-down because he
hadn't put any instrument time in the school's master sheet but had
loged instrument time in the student's log book.

-Robert, CFII