pulling the fuel valve on takeoff in a 152

from what i recall your looking at about 8secs total for the engine to
be starved. i'd say that you would be fine. Just teach them to brake
safely, as you don't want to end up sideways. and if your using flap
for the takeoff roll, teach them to lift t fast, just lke a precision
landing. if my students can stop a fully fuelled 172 in 120m your 150
will do it not a problem.

best bet, take it up with the CFI and see what they say.

On 04/03/07 08:27, Bob Gardner wrote:
> Let's jump ahead a few hundred hours. On a multiengine checkride, the PTS
> tells the examiner "...the failure of an engine shall not be simulated [note
> that word, buttman] until attaining at least Vsse/Vyse and at an altitude
> not lower than 200 feet AGL." If this advice applies to a checkride where
> the applicant has a bunch of hours and experience, where do you think your
> idea falls on the outrageous scale? You propose not to simulate engine
> failure but to actually cause engine failure. This could cost you your
> ticket.

I think it could cost much more than that.

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:-N6dnd6LrZvNHo_bnZ2dnUVZ_s2vnZ2d@rcn.net...

I'm naturally talking about the initial post Bob; not your answer :-))
Dudley

On Apr 3, 8:27 am, "Bob Gardner" <bob...@> wrote:
> Let's jump ahead a few hundred hours. On a multiengine checkride, the PTS
> tells the examiner "...the failure of an engine shall not be simulated [note
> that word, buttman] until attaining at least Vsse/Vyse and at an altitude
> not lower than 200 feet AGL." If this advice applies to a checkride where
> the applicant has a bunch of hours and experience, where do you think your
> idea falls on the outrageous scale? You propose not to simulate engine
> failure but to actually cause engine failure. This could cost you your
> ticket.


I see what you're saying, but it's not quite the same thing. When a
multi-engine loses an engine, it yaws and can lose control as well as
loses altitude. A single engine just loses altitude. You don't have to
worry about a 152 getting below Vmc, you just lower the nose and put
it back down. In a Seminole or something, you have to idle the other
engine, put the gear back down, verify, feather, etc. etc.

The way I see it (and yes I know everyone here disagrees with me) if
you have 11,000 feet of runway below you, doing this in a SE is not
unsafe at all, as long as the instructor keeps on his toes in case the
student isn't.

"cjcampbell" <christophercampbell@m> wrote in message
>
> I am also thinking of installing a quick release on the wings in order
> to teach students the "wings fall off" emergency. What do you think?
> Any problems with it?
>

When the OJ can/vent falls out of the wing of your Cessna, turn to the
passenger and say 'OOPS - Wing Bolt'.

> Now, I have been thinking that maybe I could simulate a rudder failure
> on takeoff by suddenly jamming one foot on the rudder as hard as I
> can. This will teach the student how to quickly handle this emergency.
s practice actual ditchings.
>
> Do you see any problems with these scenarios?- Hide quoted text -
>

Actually I do see a problem with this scenerio,

The only serious accident any of my former students have ever been
involved with is was exactly this scenerio as best we can tell. My
120lb student was talking off with an 200+ lb passenger. The
passenger evidently tried to adjust his seating position and pressed
against a rudder pedal to do so, just as they were rotating. The pilot
was unable to counter this control input and the airplane drifted into
trees at about 50' above the ground. Fortunatly all survived.

After the accident we went out and practiced these. Partially to help
prove to the pilot that this was what really happened and to help
demonstrate how the pilot might have been able to handle it.

Brian.

On 04/03/07 13:49, Brian wrote:
>> Now, I have been thinking that maybe I could simulate a rudder failure
>> on takeoff by suddenly jamming one foot on the rudder as hard as I
>> can. This will teach the student how to quickly handle this emergency.
> s practice actual ditchings.
>>
>> Do you see any problems with these scenarios?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> Actually I do see a problem with this scenerio,
>
> The only serious accident any of my former students have ever been
> involved with is was exactly this scenerio as best we can tell. My
> 120lb student was talking off with an 200+ lb passenger. The
> passenger evidently tried to adjust his seating position and pressed
> against a rudder pedal to do so, just as they were rotating. The pilot
> was unable to counter this control input and the airplane drifted into
> trees at about 50' above the ground. Fortunatly all survived.
>
> After the accident we went out and practiced these. Partially to help
> prove to the pilot that this was what really happened and to help
> demonstrate how the pilot might have been able to handle it.
>
> Brian.
>

Uhhhhh, I think you missed the sarcasm, Brian.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

>
> Uhhhhh, I think you missed the sarcasm, Brian.
>
I did catch the sarcasm, Notice deleted the rest of them

But it did hit a bit of a nerve when my student and friend was hurt
this way.

Brian

On Apr 3, 2:57 pm, "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Knowing CJ's posting persona, I'm betting my last bottle of Scotch he was
> being sarcastic
> :-))
> Dudley Henriques"Brian" <brianfc...@msn.com> wrote in message

Who, me? :-)

Sorry, Brian. I don't mean to make light of personal loss or to bring
back sad memories. Please forgive me.

On Apr 3, 4:47 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" <selway...m> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:33 am, "buttman" <nbvF...@> wrote:
>

> Soaring Buzzard
> Infamous worldwide pilot/instructor

<Snork> Okay, "Soaring Buzzard." I owe you a bottle of Scotch. I hope
Dudley doesn't miss it.