Rolling a Non Aerobat 150

<cfeyeye@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 27 Apr 2005 09:43:30 -0700, "Noah Fiedel" <nfiedel@>
> wrote:
>
>> In addition, were you & your instructor wearing parachutes
>>as required for aerobatic flight?
>
>
> Not required, since spin training is required for a rating.

Looked to me like a roll not a spin.

cfey...@nowhere.com wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2005 09:43:30 -0700, "Noah Fiedel" <nfiedel@>
> wrote:
>
> > In addition, were you & your instructor wearing parachutes
> >as required for aerobatic flight?
>
>
> Not required, since spin training is required for a rating.

A roll is not a spin. A roll is not a required manuever for a
certificate or rating, therefore parachutes are required.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

jgalban@m wrote:
> cfey...@nowhere.com wrote:
> > On 27 Apr 2005 09:43:30 -0700, "Noah Fiedel" <nfiedel@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In addition, were you & your instructor wearing parachutes
> > >as required for aerobatic flight?
> >
> >
> > Not required, since spin training is required for a rating.
>
> A roll is not a spin. A roll is not a required manuever for a
> certificate or rating, therefore parachutes are required.

A roll is a just non-stalled spin, but rotated up 90 degrees to a
horizontal axis :-)

j/k!

I would've pitched the nose up just a bit higher and made it more of a
barrel roll to keep from dishing out so much at the bottom, but still
pretty nicely done for a ship with as slow a roll rate as a C150

Mike W. wrote:
> <cfeyeye@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:neqv619h1i69gio0rgubccefr34a6mjma2@...
> >
> > Not required, since spin training is required for a rating.
>
> For what ratings is spin training necessary? Just curious.

CFI

"> For what ratings is spin training necessary? Just curious.
> --
> Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

CFI-A

In the Decathlon we used to start with the nose down to pick up speed
to assure we didn't run out of energy at the top and end up with a
sloppy roll. However, the nose is always pitched up about 30 degrees
before the actual roll so that the recovery is only 30 degrees nose
down. If you started the roll from level, unless you used a lot of neg
G's on the top, you would end up about 60 degrees nose down.

-Robert, CFI

"houstondan" <djones9089@houston.> wrote in message
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> been a while since i drove a 152, are you starting that nose down to
> get the speed up? if so, what's the speed for starting the manouver?

Yes nose down to 120 pitch up about 20 to 40 degrees to about 97 or what
ever your maneuvering speed is full deflection to the right or left right is
easier once you see the ground cut the power to idle roll ailerons netural
when right side up.

>
> by the way...weren't you to have just just done a big x-c in that 150?
> don't remember seeing a report on that.

I aborted that flight due to weather and took the money and got me an
instrument rating and upset recovery training.

>
> personaloly, i think you can do anything in your airplane you want as
> long as you don't drive it on the freeway next to me while talking on
> the damn cellfone and changing lanes (g).

I Was talking to my A&P before I went and did it in my airplane today he
said as long as I keep the G's positive it should not hurt the airframe. My
gyros on the other hand is something else recommends me getting cagable
gyros if i want to be doing spins and rolls. Ohhh my bird rolls just fine.

>
>
> dan
>

> "> For what ratings is spin training necessary? Just curious.
>> --
>> Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

> CFI-A

Any initial CFI.. not just CFI-A,

BT

well, nw, i seem to remember the wings channel, now defunct, running a
piece every 2 minutes for years about a guy who was so proud of daddy
for barrel rolling an airliner the size of the town i grew up in over a
crowd.

looks to me like you're learning how to actually fly that thing. good
for you.

dan

"houstondan" <djones9089@houston.> wrote in message
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> well, nw, i seem to remember the wings channel, now defunct, running a
> piece every 2 minutes for years about a guy who was so proud of daddy
> for barrel rolling an airliner the size of the town i grew up in over a
> crowd.
>
> looks to me like you're learning how to actually fly that thing. good
> for you.
>
> dan
>

Yep, after learning the upset recovery stuff and working very hard at
getting my instrument rating I fell way more comfortable doing things and
going places that I would not have done alone with out an instructor in the
right seat. Now I know if I ever encounter wake turbulence. I what to do and
what to expect and that spins in a 150 are nothing to be feared and are very
simple to recover from. Don't know if this makes me safer or more dangerous?
One thing I do know for sure, it has made me more confident!