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Old 16th February 2005, 02:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ah, misery loves company Don. Glad to know I'm not alone in the IA
brain drain. It's fun and I'm learning a lot but man, it can sure wear
down the functioning brain cells.

Looking forward to reading your posts and thinking "I'm not the only
one!" :-)


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Old 17th February 2005, 01:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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> remembering to turn, time, tune, twist, throttle, tires, talk.

the way I learned this goes back to aviate - navigate - communicate.
Time (one button push) - turn, throttle, twist (navigate), talk (comm)

> After the last flight, I barely had enough functional brain cells to
> drive home.


I'm sure every IFR student feels that way. I still feel that way.
Tonight I shot 4 approaches. 2 into SCK (central valley, CA), then
into TCY about 10 miles away and then back home to SQL. SCK
and SQL went great. At TCY I didn't have enough time to set anything
up. I sucked. I was so far behind the plane because I couldn't
do a proper brief in 2 minutes. I should have asked for delay
vectors. I'm about 98% there but man, those last few percent
take forever.

the biggest thing with IFR is learning how to trim. Do that and
you are 75% of the way there. No exaggeration.

Gerald
 
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Old 17th February 2005, 03:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jack Allison <k2_boardrider@Rem0ve.Th1s.> wrote:
>Interesting point Bob and one I've not heard of. What would be the
>proper phraseology to ATC for a delay vector?


Either of "I need to get the box programmed, can I get vectors to
<pick a fix>", or "I need to get delaying vectors for a couple of
minutes" should work fine.
 
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Old 17th February 2005, 10:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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in article 3o-dnbFnLsVNCY_fRVn-qA@, Bob Gardner at
bobmrg@ wrote on 2/15/05 4:33 PM:

> Just between us guys, that's one of the things about instrument training
> that drives me up the wall. Cram as many approaches as possible into each
> lesson, and ignore such things as filing and opening a flight plan from a
> remote field...which is a more likely real-life scenario. Too much
> concentration on approaches, which constitute about ten percent of the
> average pilot's total instrument time. Don't get me started about holds.
>
> Bob Gardner


As an instrument student who is feeling seriously overloaded, I'm
sympathetic to your viewpoint. However, I do see some logic in the way
instrument lessons are structured, with heavy emphasis on approaches. It is,
IMO, the most difficult thing to learn, and the idea is to overwhelm the
student with so much intense activity in such a short period of time that
most real life scenarios will seem tame by comparison. I, for one, am
looking forward to feeling bored on my first VFR flight after getting my
instrument rating.

 
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