Traffic pattern at untowered airport question.

A week ago we were having a discussion about pattern. It is written that
if traffic is left that all turns will be made to the left when in the
vicinity of the airport with intentions to land. The right 360 would break
that rule.

I would think that you would fly slow as possible and maybe even ask the
other guy to hurry up if he can. If you can't get slow enough, do a go-round
and come back for another stab at it. The S turns would be include right
turns as well so you would be breaking that rule there again too.



> is really to either just slow down or go around ... or do the 360.

options 1 and 2. Slow down, and go around if necessary. The 360 could
suprise the guy that you don't know is behind you, he may even be a nordo.

Wayne

"David Megginson" <david@megginson.com> wrote in message news:87n0f5asrh.fsf@megginson.com...
> "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> writes:
>
> > You should be making turns in such a way that stalls aren't going to be
> > a problem. This is why you spent all that time doing slow flight work.
> > Remember it's AOA not SPEED that affects stalling. Let the nose drop
> > a little coming around the corners.
>
> That's fine when you want to descend. Turning level, though, the
> original poster has a point -- stall speed does increase in a level
> turn, up to 1.4x the normal stall speed (CAS) in a 60-degree bank.
>
Hard to land without descending and he's got big trouble if he's got
bigger problems if he's making 60 degree banked turns in the pattern.

"Marco Rispoli" <rispolim@> wrote in message
news:cWBTa.100325$ye5.17989533@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net...
> Stall averse? yeh I am. I don't think it's my instructor's fault though. I
> am just ... very scared of stalling at low altitude. I have been from day
1.
>
> Nothing I can do about that. I just need to get used to the fact that I
WILL
> need to fly slow at low altitude in the pattern if the situation calls for
> it. That's it.

Try breaking the problem into pieces by practicing the skills at a safe
altitude in a practice area. It's easier to experiment when you're not
watching real ground coming up at you. Practice enough stalls (not just one
or two) that you know what they feel like at different power levels. Look at
airspeed, pitch, and especially altitude lost in recovery. Keep doing them
until recovery is almost automatic. Then set up a rectangular course at a
safe altitude to practice pattern work. You might use something like 2500
AGL for pattern and 1500 AGL for surface level. Fly your mock pattern very
slowly with good coordinated turns. Remember the altitude that's "ground"
and don't hit it. You already did all this? If you're not comfortable doing
it in pattern, you probably haven't done it enough at altitude to have the
confidence you need. An hour spent practicing might save you instruction
time in the long run.

David Megginson wrote:

>"Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> writes:
>
>
>
>>Hard to land without descending and he's got big trouble if he's got
>>bigger problems if he's making 60 degree banked turns in the pattern.
>>
>>
>
>Agreed, but I think that's what kills a lot of pilots on the turn from
>base to final -- turning steeply to intercept final and at the same
>time pulling up because they're getting a bit low.
>
>
>
>
Remember, power for altitude, and pitch for airspeed!

-Sridhar

Ron Natalie wrote:

>"Sridhar Rajagopal" <sridhar.rajagopal@oracle.com> wrote in message news:3F204118.9090904@oracle.com...
>
>
>>Remember, power for altitude, and pitch for airspeed!
>>
>>
>>
>I taxied out on the runway and shoved the yoke full forward. Once the ASI reads 60 I'll
>put the throttle in and climb out.
>
>
>
>
You're very shrewd, you catch on pretty fast! :-)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:30:07 -0400, "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sridhar Rajagopal" <sridhar.rajagopal@oracle.com> wrote in message news:3F204118.9090904@oracle.com...
>>
>> Remember, power for altitude, and pitch for airspeed!
>>
>I taxied out on the runway and shoved the yoke full forward. Once the ASI reads 60 I'll
>put the throttle in and climb out.
>

Ah, but your talking ground speed, and he said airspeed. 8)

Ricky