JFK Jr.'s mean ol wife

> JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and
> took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal
> negligence killed him as well as his passengers.

I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be
literal in here lets go all the way.

>
> >Roger. <who only fly's VFR these days, and is happier for it>
>
> Learn to punctuate and you'll be even happier.

er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling.

> Instrument flight requires a rating. JFK was in training but not yet
> rated to fly in instrument conditions, such as a night flight over
> water in which distinguishing the horizon would be difficult. Result:
> Dead JFK and passengers.

Unadvisable to fly in such conditions without one, but techncially NOT
required.

Jeff Franks wrote:
>
> > JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and
> > took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal
> > negligence killed him as well as his passengers.
>
> I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be
> literal in here lets go all the way.

Australia requires a rating to do night VFR.

> Australia requires a rating to do night VFR.

I have Australian and US certificates (well, license in Australia) and the
Australian system is bureaucratic and simply discourages pilots from
advancing and obtaining higher qualifications by adding layers of
unnecessary cost.

In the US a pilot is trained to do night landings and takeoffs, and needs to
be proficient in night flying before obtaining a certificate - this is a
better system by far than the Australian model which is a leftover of some
inane British system.

> >er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling.
>
> Yes, there is. _Fly's_ is incorrect as spelling and as punctuation.
>
Not if your usage is, "I pulled the fly's wings off."

stePH
--
NP: Ars Nova, KEYBOARDS TRIANGLE - "Epilogo"

"MC" <mc@non.existant.place> wrote in message news:3F023BC3.265C4F6D@non.existant.place...

> > I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be
> > literal in here lets go all the way.
>
> Australia requires a rating to do night VFR.

Last I checked Martha's Vineyard was not part of Australia.

Jeff Franks wrote:

> An outsider looking in would think we're all
> scared to death someone else might be smarter than us.

....than *we*.

- Andrew, who simply could not resist

"stePH" <acetheta@> wrote ..
> animal boi <baboon@bonzo.bong> wrote ..
> > >er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling.
> >
> > Yes, there is. _Fly's_ is incorrect as spelling and as punctuation.
> >
> Not if your usage is, "I pulled the fly's wings off."

Or "Your fly's open."

Leon

"Jeff Franks" <jfranks@ntiNOSPMmail.com> wrote in message
news:YDmMa.4110$hf.500@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> > JFK Jr. wasn't yet rated and he didn't have a close call; he died and
> > took two people with him. The only positive is that his own criminal
> > negligence killed him as well as his passengers.
>
> I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be
> literal in here lets go all the way.
>

JFK Jr. was almost rated. He certainly had a great deal more instrument
time than the average PPL.

JFK was flying on a night when the weather was legally VFR.

If he HAD realized that it could be ACTUALLY IFR, while still being easily
VFR LEGALLY and as reported by the aviation weather people he might not have
messed up.

He got in trouble because he was flying using tried and proven VFR
techniques on a legally VFR night when VFR techniques would not work. That
can happen ANYTIME at night, even on a clear night. It is all a matter of
visual reference.

I have been in that situation many times at night, even on a clear dry
night in Colorado with 80 mile visibility. The key is to recognize the fact
that you cannot use VFR techniques to remain upright and safe, and use the
techniques that work. The techniques that work are the same ones we use for
IFR flight.

Highflyer

"animal boi" <baboon@bonzo.bong> wrote in message
news:3f01fc6c.15214468@news.net...
> Today on Usenet, "Jeff Franks" <jfranks@ntiNOSPMmail.com> reported:
>
> >I wasn't aware that night flight required a rating...if we're gonna be
> >literal in here lets go all the way.
>
> Instrument flight requires a rating. JFK was in training but not yet
> rated to fly in instrument conditions, such as a night flight over
> water in which distinguishing the horizon would be difficult. Result:
> Dead JFK and passengers.
>

Night flight over water is no different than any flight. If the ceiling was
1000 feet and the visibility was three miles it was legal VFR and no
instrument rating was required.

In many countrys night flight requires special training and is an addition
to the basic PPL. In the US night flight is required to get a PPL and all
Private pilots are rated to fly night VFR if they have made three takeoffs
and landings at night to a full stop within the previous 90 days.

Like many things in aviation, just because it is legal doesn't mean it is
wise.

Highflyer




> >er...there's a difference between punctuation and spelling.
>
> Yes, there is. _Fly's_ is incorrect as spelling and as punctuation.
>
> ab