"Outlandings" discussion

On 27 Jan, 17:00, Bob Whelan <rfwhe...@greeleynet.com> wrote:
> wannather...@aim.com wrote:
> > So, what do you call an outlanding? If you land at an established
> > airport/airfield is this an "Outlanding"? Or is it an uncompleted
> > flight into an airport.
>
> Mentally, I approach every landing made away from my runway of takeoff
> as an off-field landing, whether made at an airport or not....run
> through the same checklist w. the same rigor, etc.
> - - - - - -
>
> I have read a lot of club SOP's that recommend> a "planned" outlanding into an airport as training for a real
> > outlanding! Not the same thing. Is this a recipe for trouble?
>
> Not - IMHO - if done per above. True, paved-airport landings don't
> address the off-field surface issue(s), but I'm aware of at least one
> broken G-103 done at a non-home-airport landing...and LOTS of landing
> lights hit over the years. A paved-airport landing has all of the same
> OFL landing risks save two: 1) known good surface, and 2) generally
> decent approaches.
> - - - - - -
>

A landing at a strange airfield is just that! Any resemblance to an
'outlanding' is nothing more than coincidental!
If you are flying 'airfield' to 'airfield' you know that there is
going to be a runway and decent approaches you dont have to worry
about things like ........

Field selection, orientation, slope, surface type, crops and height of
crop, livestock in the field and yes approaches. Also it may not be
big enough so now what! Options and a 'plan B'

Then there's post landing safety, what happens if you stuff it into an
unseen obstruction in a remote field, will someone find you and/or the
wreckage. Communications? There may be no one about for miles and the
cell phone coverage could be lousy. Security, what happens to your
ship when you walk out?

How do you get the ship out? Access for car and trailer. Do the crew
even know where you are?

Your own well being? I have been in fields for up to 6 hours without a
roll of toilet paper - no problem at an airfield but it nearly cost me
a sectional :)
Water? Shelter? What about protection for self and ship from the hail
or electrical storm that was about to wash you out of the sky?

Ok so a lot of this is not a problem in the UK where the nearest
village is usually no more than a couple of miles away but in some
places I have flown they are very real considerations.

The pilot stress level are considerably more going into a 'field'!

On Jan 27, 9:07 am, "wannather...@aim.com" <wannatherm...@aim.com>
wrote:
> So, what do you call an outlanding?

Whenever I have to start the motor ;-)

....Before which I've already planned an outlanding and started the
pattern, just in case...

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:07:16 -0800 (PST), "wannathermal@aim.com"
<wannathermal1@aim.com> wrote:

>So, what do you call an outlanding? If you land at an established
>airport/airfield is this an "Outlanding"?

The Freanch have a precise definition of an outlanding:
In French making an outlanding is called "aller aux vaches", "going to
the cows".

Since cows don't tend to on airfields...


Bye
Andreas

On Jan 27, 7:07 am, "wannather...@aim.com" <wannatherm...@aim.com>
wrote:
> So, what do you call an outlanding?

I log a "landout' any time I fail to land back at my point of takeoff,
or at my goal on rare straight out flights. I log off airport
landings separately as a subset of landouts. In my book every off
airport landing is a landout but the converse is not true.

I also keep track of landouts more than 50NM from point of departure.
FAA seems to attach more value to those than completed flights and
they saved me a bunch of money for my airplane commercial.

More than once I have arrived at an airport and elected to land in an
adjacent field because I thought it was safer.

Andy

On Jan 27, 8:07 am, "wannather...@aim.com" <wannatherm...@aim.com>
wrote:
> So, what do you call an outlanding? \

To me an outlanding is a landing where no one has landed an aircraft
before. If it's an airport than it's not an off airport landing
(which is what "outlanding" means to me). Landing at another airport
is no big deal unless it's some rarely used dirt strip with no known
characteristics or facilities and no sane pilot has landed there in
years and years. We don't have many of those in my usual terratory,
the midwest. Off airport landing causes the original Star Trek theme
to start playing in my head on final approach, "to boldly go where no
one has gone before". Once down it's up to me to make tie downs,
determine location and access, and deal with onlookers and crew. It's
an entirely different experience than landing at an airport. In
training I consider landing away at another airport just about useless
in preparing a student for "off airport" landing. Knowing it's an
airport eliminates a lot of doubt and stress. Once a student lands at
an unprepared field selected "on the fly" they know they are truly
ready to take on the challenge of cross country soaring.

MM

On Jan 27, 7:22 pm, Andreas Maurer <alpham...@t-online.de> wrote:

> Since cows don't tend to on airfields...

In my many landouts only 2 had encounters with cows. Both were on
prepared runways and one was at a fenced municipal airport. At
Muleshoe near Littlefield I had pushed the glider to the ramp (apron)
and spent the next hour trying to keep a large herd of cows that
appeared from behind a hangar from approaching the glider. At a ranch
strip NW of Uvalde a very pregnant cow took a liking to the glider,
shredded the canopy cover, bent the TE probe, and did its best to get
in the way while we derigged. It's hard to argue with a large bovine
when you have a wing root in both hands. I don't know if is
significant that both these contests were in Texas.

To the OP. It may not matter what you call your landings, but if your
buddies all got home and are drinking beer and you call for a retieve,
I suspect they'll all think you landed out. And if you are in a
contest, and you only get distance points, the other contestants will
also think you landed out. (US perspective, YMMV)

Andy

Well I just like to keep my trailer excersized. Ive flown small
triangles and came back home. It was cool but sort of boring in its
own way. Im working on getting the CAP to be my crew for at least
some flights this summer. that should be cool! Might have to add a
tent to my landout kit! :D

I have landed at a few airports and I guess I wouldnt technically
consider them landouts from my perspective but they certainly are from
the crews perspective. Short wings are good for missing the runway
lights

> If you think Noddy is a tough one, try explaining the cultural
> significance of Noddy's friend the Golliwog to an American.
>
> Mike
>

Or the perennial eraser/rubber confusion, linked to the Australian usage
of Durex.

On Jan 30, 10:29 am, Chris Reed <chris.r...@REMOVEqmul.ac.uk> wrote:
> > If you think Noddy is a tough one, try explaining the cultural
> > significance of Noddy's friend the Golliwog to an American.
>
> > Mike
>
> Or the perennial eraser/rubber confusion, linked to the Australian usage
> of Durex.

True story. I worked as an assitant tennis pro at a posh country
club in the US. New tennis pro comes on board - he's an Aussie. His
wife Ellie keeps the shop.

We walk into the main clubhouse one day and he says "Hang on a minute,
I need to get some supplies for the office." Walks on over to the
main reception area where some of the blue hairs are milling about
waiting for the grill to open for the early bird special. "Hey Judy
(receptionist), I need a big box of rubbers. Ellie and I are going
through them like wild fire -she make a lot of mistakes."

- Blue hairs swallowed their dentures.
- Judy turned a shade of crimson.
- I peed my pants.

25 years later, we still talk about that one.