Cirrus vs ASW

Thanks for all of the advise. I dont think I can afford
a B or C and I have made 2 minor errors in preflight
in all of my hours. Any suggestions on a 25k and under
sailplane would be appreciated.

Jeff

Jeff Runciman wrote:
> Thanks for all of the advise. I dont think I can afford
> a B or C and I have made 2 minor errors in preflight
> in all of my hours. Any suggestions on a 25k and under
> sailplane would be appreciated.
>
> Jeff

I have twice owned an LS-3 -- the original model with the 175 pound
wings. If you have a Komet trailer, it isn't hard to rig an LS-3, and
there is no way to put it together without hooking up all the controls.
They rarely come on the market, but when they do they are dirt cheap
-- probably no more than $20,000. That would leave you $5,000 for all
the instrument and other upgrades that inevitably come with a new glider.

Other than the heavy wings, it is difficult to find fault with the
original LS-3, and the wings really are not bad -- two people can easy
rig in 5 minutes. The newer -3a model has lighter wings, but a manual
hookup for the ailerons, and is considerably more expensive.

Well as noted by Marc previously...with a hotellier
fitting on the elevator...getting it right 99% of the
time means you die.




At 01:06 12 March 2006, Jeff Runciman wrote:
>Thanks for all of the advise. I dont think I can afford
>a B or C and I have made 2 minor errors in preflight
>in all of my hours. Any suggestions on a 25k and under
>sailplane would be appreciated.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>

jacekkobiesa@raypolandandsons.us wrote:
>
> That would be very nice if the Centrair would deal with the 3000 hours
> issue.
>
> Jacek Kobiesa
> Washington State
>

You are perfectly right. I have always known that the founder of Centrair was
not very serious, and we have one more proof here.
I am still quite sure that this issue will be ironed out since there are
hundreds of Pegase in use in French clubs. If the Pegase was grounded at 3000
hours it would be a domestic catastrophe.
In spite of all these worries, i am not aware that the Pegase has experienced
big problems such as delaminations of wings which have afflicted some of the
most prestigious brands ... Nor does it have nasty tendencies to spin, too
light or too heavy controls, like some other gliders which have been
mentioned. It is very homogeneous, good performing, comfortable, has powerful
air brakes. So a good bang for the buck, even if newer german gliders are
better, but considerably more expensive. I suppose you are thinking of polish
gliders, unfortunately they are not very visible here.


--

Michel TALON

Bert Willing wrote:
> In France, there is no 3000h issue with the Pegasus. The issue stems from
> the FAA's interpretation of the service note, but it is still an issue for
> the US and Centrair doesn't seem to be very responsive...

You can say that again...

Half of our club's ships are 101As and 2 off them are grounded as a
result of this. :-(

Worse, we've been waiting months for a replacement part that a more
attentive factory should have had little trouble providing.

Jeremy

>I have some experience of this in relation to the Polish
>Puchacz (6000 hours) but the matter seems to have been
>resolved - at least in part.

Send it away to Poland, and it comes back brand-spankin
clean with life extension to 12000hours. Its effectively
a new glider, and looks very attractive. Wasnt crazily
expensive, but the guy who had to tow it there....
:-s

To All:

So, if the Centrair is out of business who, and how can extend the life
of the Pegasus to satisfy the FAA? Now, if the glider has more than
3000 hours can it be flown in Experimental Cat.? I was just looking at
possibility of buying one here, in the US....but it may not be worth
buying one nowadays?

Jacek Kobiesa
Washington State

Right, can I just check... this trouble about hours
is because of the FAA, so in Britain are there any
problems? Or is it just that under the FAA?

At 19:00 14 March 2006, jacekkobiesa@raypolandandsons.us
wrote:
>To All:
>
>So, if the Centrair is out of business who, and how
>can extend the life
>of the Pegasus to satisfy the FAA? Now, if the glider
>has more than
>3000 hours can it be flown in Experimental Cat.? I
>was just looking at
>possibility of buying one here, in the US....but it
>may not be worth
>buying one nowadays?
>
>Jacek Kobiesa
>Washington State
>
>

Jono Richards wrote:
> Right, can I just check... this trouble about hours
> is because of the FAA, so in Britain are there any
> problems? Or is it just that under the FAA?
>
> At 19:00 14 March 2006, jacekkobiesa@raypolandandsons.us
> wrote:
> >To All:
> >
> >So, if the Centrair is out of business who, and how
> >can extend the life
> >of the Pegasus to satisfy the FAA? Now, if the glider
> >has more than
> >3000 hours can it be flown in Experimental Cat.? I
> >was just looking at
> >possibility of buying one here, in the US....but it
> >may not be worth
> >buying one nowadays?
> >
> >Jacek Kobiesa
> >Washington State
> >
> >

That is only under the FAA.

Thank you for all of your help.

It turns out the ASW is 50,000. The Cirrus makes me
a bit nervous with the tail (attaching and flying)
Has anybody got any thoughts on the Standard Jantar?
I can live with the two piece canopy (cant be modded
in Canada because there is no experimental class).
I also understand the gear is big for bumpy off fields
although may cause it to nose over with hard braking.
Other than that I know very little. Any advise would
be appreciated.

Jeff