Bonaire by Cruise

One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire Marine
Park.

Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire Marine
Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet is protected.
Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact with the reef. is
prohibited.


"Okidiver" <okidiver@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Geez guys, didn't mean to alert the glove police here. I guess I should
> have elaborated a bit:
>
> "I've done the majority of my dives from shore"...probably a thousand on
> Okinawa and a couple few on the north shore of Hawaii.
>
> "Lots more stuff to consider"... like ironshore, dead coral, surf, rocks,
> box jellyfish, "Habu" jellyfish, stonefish, scorpionfish, crown of thorns
> starfish, and did I mention surf, etc... none of which you want to
> touch/scrape yourself on, but if you're clumsy like me... We also had
> lots of banded sea snakes, Lionfish, and you would see a Blue Ringed
> Octopus in the tidals every once in a while, though no one ever had any
> problems with those critters.
>
> I guess my point is, wear the neoprene and gloves for protection. I put
> my gloves away down in Cozumel to keep everyone happy, but I don't have to
> advocate it.
> --
> Rapid Rick
> "Just Dive, Baby"
>
> "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> news:D9Zeg.9613$1i1.1576@attbi_s72...
>>
>> "Okidiver" <okidiver@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:q6vdg.33627$fG3.12590@dukeread09...
>>> I've done the majority of my dives from shore. Lots more stuff to
>>> consider...I recommend a good robust set of booties (the best I've seen
>>> are felt bottomed), a full wetsuit, snorkel, and gloves. Rocks, reef,
>>> surf, and surface swims, ya see...
>>
>> Yikes! dude, you're not diving in New England. Many people dive with
>> nothing but a T shirt. I have. Now I wear a shortie wet suit which is
>> more than sufficient. I'd never even even dream of wearing gloves on any
>> caribbean dive, and I don't think they're even allowed in Bonaire.
>> Booties can make a rocky entrance easier, but are by no means a
>> necessity.
>>
>
>

ginmill01 wrote:
> One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire Marine
> Park.
>
> Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire Marine
> Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet is protected.
> Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact with the reef. is
> prohibited.

What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is beyond
me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I wear
gloves.


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jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
news:127q21qn08d4359@corp.supernews.com...
> ginmill01 wrote:
>> One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
>> Marine Park.
>>
>> Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
>> Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet is
>> protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact with the
>> reef. is prohibited.
>
> What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is beyond
> me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I wear
> gloves.

Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really need
to learn how to dive.

"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> news:1Vlfg.11237$1i1.6024@attbi_s72...
>>
>> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
>> news:127q21qn08d4359@corp.supernews.com...
>>> ginmill01 wrote:
>>>> One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
>>>> Marine Park.
>>>>
>>>> Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
>>>> Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet
>>>> is protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact
>>>> with the reef. is prohibited.
>>>
>>> What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is beyond
>>> me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I wear
>>> gloves.
>>
>> Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
>> the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
>> without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
>> need to learn how to dive.
>
> If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
> stamp collecting.

Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is considered
a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for generations
to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling too
much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually much
more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
outlaw gloves.

If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.

Skeptic wrote:
> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> news:127rvh8kpe71c89@news.supernews.com...
>
>>
>>"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
>>news:1Vlfg.11237$1i1.6024@attbi_s72...
>>
>>>"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
>>>news:127q21qn08d4359@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>ginmill01 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
>>>>>Marine Park.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
>>>>>Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet
>>>>>is protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact
>>>>>with the reef. is prohibited.
>>>>
>>>>What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is beyond
>>>>me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I wear
>>>>gloves.
>>>
>>>Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
>>>the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
>>>without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
>>>need to learn how to dive.
>>
>> If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
>>stamp collecting.
>
>
> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.
>
> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
>
>


Whoosh!

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jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
news:CIpfg.999438$xm3.633823@attbi_s21...

> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is
considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for
generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling
too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually
much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.

> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.

<getting popcorn and a large coke>

Man, you must be like the Amazing Kreskin.

In article <CIpfg.999438$xm3.633823@attbi_s21>, Skeptic
<bcs002bm> wrote:

€ "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
€ news:127rvh8kpe71c89@news.supernews.com...

€ >> Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
€ >> the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
€ >> without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
€ >> need to learn how to dive.
€ >
€ > If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
€ > stamp collecting.
€
€ Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
€ anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
€ and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is considered
€ a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for generations
€ to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling too
€ much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
€ the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
€ always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
€ more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually much
€ more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
€ outlaw gloves.
€
€ If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
€
€

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Do you honestly
think gloves are the cause of reef damage?

"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
news:CIpfg.999438$xm3.633823@attbi_s21...
>
> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> news:127rvh8kpe71c89@news.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> > "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> > news:1Vlfg.11237$1i1.6024@attbi_s72...
> >>
> >> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> >> news:127q21qn08d4359@corp.supernews.com...
> >>> ginmill01 wrote:
> >>>> One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
> >>>> Marine Park.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
> >>>> Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet
> >>>> is protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact
> >>>> with the reef. is prohibited.
> >>>
> >>> What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is
beyond
> >>> me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I
wear
> >>> gloves.
> >>
> >> Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead
to
> >> the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
> >> without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
> >> need to learn how to dive.
> >
> > If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
> > stamp collecting.
>
> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is
considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for
generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling
too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually
much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.

Ahh....so guns are not the only inanimate object that causes people to do
bad things - apparently gloves do as well.

>
> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
>
>

Dennis

In article <SVrfg.999582$xm3.882937@attbi_s21>, Skeptic
<bcs002bm> wrote:


€ > ?
€ > ?
€ > You really have no idea what you're talking about. Do you honestly
€ > think gloves are the cause of reef damage?
€
€ There are many causes. Gloves when diving is one of them. That is the
€ entire basis for their being banned in Bonaire.
€
€

Gloves have nothing to do with the problem. Start thinking about the
root cause, not about the symptoms.

The ban on Bonaire is based on ignorance, not logic. By your postings,
you're part of the ignorance.

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@> wrote in message
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> "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> news:SVrfg.999582$xm3.882937@attbi_s21...
>
>> There are many causes. Gloves when diving is one of them. That is the
>> entire basis for their being banned in Bonaire.
>
> Wow.
>
> Everyone up here wears gloves because of the water temperature.
>
> Our reefs are fine.

I don't know where "here" is and I'm happy to hear you think your reef is
"fine". By Bonairian standards it is probably damaged.