new Knoebels prices

On Jan 27, 7:44 pm, Jim Shaffer <jmshaf...@alltel.net> wrote:

> I love Knoebels, but for that price they should have a major new ride
> a lot bigger than the Flying Turns, no matter how much the cost ran
> over.

I see no problem with the raised prices. I'd still rather buy a $300
airline ticket, spend $100 renting a car for the weekend, $150 on
hotel rooms and all other expenses associated with traveling from Los
Angeles to Knoebels than drive 20 miles down the road and visit SFMM.

I'm ok with the price increase also--for the simple fact that I know I
can go there and ride what I want--with less lines than a typical park
with friendlier crowds with great food at good prices and just relax
in the atmosphere.

As far as FT--you also have to remember that there are a ton of free
ride tixs out there--I think I have 2 and I really don't go there that
often. Even at $2.50--the lines are going to be incredible.

I think FT is the most anticipated coaster--even with the long
construction period. Once people hear it is open the crowds will
come. How many times did we(enthusiasts) get to get up close with at
the construction. I know I have walked the majority of the track and
the park was happy to do it for us(enthusiasts).

Basically I appreciate the park wanting to do the coaster right--so it
will last and be up to todays safety standards. Yes, it is a coaster
that was built before--but there are 80 years of safety upgrades--and
with that--it is now a prototype again.

Jim- Seems we've been down this road in the past whenever Knoebels
raises prices for any entity in the park.

So, just as a reminder, lets run down the list:

a)Some parks charge $15 just to park your car.
b)Some parks charge more for a large soda than an entire "meal" at
Knoebels
c)Some parks don't offer 5 minute ride cycles on flat rides

And getting back to per-ride prices AGAIN, throw out percentage
raises. $2.50 for a ride on a brand new, unique to this planet,
throwback to the 1920s attraction is like a joke in today's day and
age. I'm not even comparing the price against a per ride rate on
higher per acre land like Coney Island or Wildwood. How about Indiana
Beach? If you choose to not purchase a POP plan there, aren't their
coasters all $5 per ride (or two "gold star tickets")? That seems
like an apples to apples comparison if there ever was one. Plus,
Knoebels does not have the nominal gate charge that IB does (not
saying one park is better or worse than the other, just painting a
picture here).
There are lots of traditional parks with a pay-as-you-go option (in
rural areas) that generally charge more than what Knoebels does (off
the top of my head let's say Sylvan Beach, Arnolds Park, Quassy, and
Indiana Beach for starters). I just don't understand the beef. The
POP plan at Knoebels has been a questionable value for years now, as
their per ride prices are so low that you need to ride an awful lot to
get a payback on your purchase. And local economy? Ok, people may
ride one or two less rides. But they will still spend the same
amount, eat the same amount, etc. Less wear and tear on the
equipment. Plus, as the years go by and the good word spreads, more
and more of Knoebels day guests are coming from the Philly,
Harrisburg, and even NYC metro areas- no effect there as you've got a
demo used to the SFGAds, HPs, and DPs of the world. Knoebels bread
and butter has been and always will be group outings. So long as they
are not effected, things will be just groovy in Elysburg.

Now, think as a local, Knoebels is still ideal as a place that you
need not pay for parking or admission. A perfect place to drop by for
a few hours. Even dear old Kennywood requires a gate admission (with
no season pass/multi day ticket option) every time one visits (and I
know several locals to KW who don't visit nearly as much as they would
otherwise).

End rant.

-Mark

On Jan 28, 9:11 am, Mark Rosenzweig <stoneo...@> wrote:
> Jim- Seems we've been down this road in the past whenever Knoebels
> raises prices for any entity in the park.
>
> So, just as a reminder, lets run down the list:
>
> a)Some parks charge $15 just to park your car.
> b)Some parks charge more for a large soda than an entire "meal" at
> Knoebels
> c)Some parks don't offer 5 minute ride cycles on flat rides
>
> And getting back to per-ride prices AGAIN, throw out percentage
> raises.  $2.50 for a ride on a brand new, unique to this planet,
> throwback to the 1920s attraction is like a joke in today's day and
> age.  I'm not even comparing the price against a per ride rate on
> higher per acre land like Coney Island or Wildwood.  How about Indiana
> Beach?  If you choose to not purchase a POP plan there, aren't their
> coasters all $5 per ride (or two "gold star tickets")?  That seems
> like an apples to apples comparison if there ever was one.  Plus,
> Knoebels does not have the nominal gate charge that IB does (not
> saying one park is better or worse than the other, just painting a
> picture here).
> There are lots of traditional parks with a pay-as-you-go option (in
> rural areas) that generally charge more than what Knoebels does (off
> the top of my head let's say Sylvan Beach, Arnolds Park, Quassy, and
> Indiana Beach for starters).  I just don't understand the beef.  The
> POP plan at Knoebels has been a questionable value for years now, as
> their per ride prices are so low that you need to ride an awful lot to
> get a payback on your purchase.  And local economy?  Ok, people may
> ride one or two less rides.  But they will still spend the same
> amount, eat the same amount, etc.  Less wear and tear on the
> equipment.  Plus, as the years go by and the good word spreads, more
> and more of Knoebels day guests are coming from the Philly,
> Harrisburg, and even NYC metro areas- no effect there as you've got a
> demo used to the SFGAds, HPs, and DPs of the world.   Knoebels bread
> and butter has been and always will be group outings.  So long as they
> are not effected, things will be just groovy in Elysburg.
>
> Now, think as a local, Knoebels is still ideal as a place that you
> need not pay for parking or admission.  A perfect place to drop by for
> a few hours.  Even dear old Kennywood requires a gate admission (with
> no season pass/multi day ticket option) every time one visits (and I
> know several locals to KW who don't visit nearly as much as they would
> otherwise).
>
> End rant.
>
> -Mark

As a "local" to Kennywood now, I agree with Mark fully and
wholeheartedly.

Rob "Eight visits to Kennywood in 'O7; six with employee tickets"
Vaccaro

On Jan 28, 9:11�am, Mark Rosenzweig <stoneo...@> wrote:
> Jim- Seems we've been down this road in the past whenever Knoebels
> raises prices for any entity in the park.
>
> So, just as a reminder, lets run down the list:
>
> a)Some parks charge $15 just to park your car.
> b)Some parks charge more for a large soda than an entire "meal" at
> Knoebels
> c)Some parks don't offer 5 minute ride cycles on flat rides
>
> And getting back to per-ride prices AGAIN, throw out percentage
> raises. �$2.50 for a ride on a brand new, unique to this planet,
> throwback to the 1920s attraction is like a joke in today's day and
> age. �I'm not even comparing the price against a per ride rate on
> higher per acre land like Coney Island or Wildwood. �How about Indiana
> Beach? �If you choose to not purchase a POP plan there, aren't their
> coasters all $5 per ride (or two "gold star tickets")? �That seems
> like an apples to apples comparison if there ever was one. �Plus,
> Knoebels does not have the nominal gate charge that IB does (not
> saying one park is better or worse than the other, just painting a
> picture here).
> There are lots of traditional parks with a pay-as-you-go option (in
> rural areas) that generally charge more than what Knoebels does (off
> the top of my head let's say Sylvan Beach, Arnolds Park, Quassy, and
> Indiana Beach for starters). �I just don't understand the beef. �The
> POP plan at Knoebels has been a questionable value for years now, as
> their per ride prices are so low that you need to ride an awful lot to
> get a payback on your purchase. �And local economy? �Ok, people may
> ride one or two less rides. �But they will still spend the same
> amount, eat the same amount, etc. �Less wear and tear on the
> equipment. �Plus, as the years go by and the good word spreads, more
> and more of Knoebels day guests are coming from the Philly,
> Harrisburg, and even NYC metro areas- no effect there as you've got a
> demo used to the SFGAds, HPs, and DPs of the world. � Knoebels bread
> and butter has been and always will be group outings. �So long as they
> are not effected, things will be just groovy in Elysburg.
>
> Now, think as a local, Knoebels is still ideal as a place that you
> need not pay for parking or admission. �A perfect place to drop by for
> a few hours. �Even dear old Kennywood requires a gate admission (with
> no season pass/multi day ticket option) every time one visits (and I
> know several locals to KW who don't visit nearly as much as they would
> otherwise).
>
> End rant.
>
> -Mark

I'm basically the same as Mark, the shore points charge about $5 per
ride, so anything less is a bargain, K's is still a great bargain.

On Jan 27, 7:44�pm, Jim Shaffer <jmshaf...@alltel.net> wrote:
> The 2008 price list is up on the website. �Flying Turns is $2.50. �I
> know they have to limit the traffic somehow, but when it was announced
> last year it was $2.00 �:(

WOW! Only $2.50 to ride the Flying Turns? What a great deal!


> The good news is Phoenix and Twister are the same prices as last year.
> The bad news is, HSTC is $1.00, the Flyer is $1.20, and the bumper
> cars are $1.20.
>
> Armbands are $37 �:(

Only $37 for an armband? Another great deal! I'd rather pay that
than $60 to get into SFMM!


> I love Knoebels, but for that price they should have a major new ride
> a lot bigger than the Flying Turns, no matter how much the cost ran
> over.

Yikes! The Flying Turns will pretty much be a one-of-a-kind coaster,
no? I'd love to ride it!


> There is one positive change: tickets now cost 15% under face value on
> weekdays instead of 10%, and 10% under face value on weekends and
> holidays instead of full price. �I doubt I'll ever buy a full-price
> armband again. �But for anyone contemplating a bulk ticket buy,
> discounts now start at $150 instead of $100.

Another great deal! Way to go, Knoebel's! Isn't this the park where
parking/admission are free and food is good and cheap? I can't wait
to visit Knoebel's!

Kevin

> And getting back to per-ride prices AGAIN, throw out percentage
> raises. $2.50 for a ride on a brand new, unique to this planet,
> throwback to the 1920s attraction is like a joke in today's day and
> age. I'm not even comparing the price against a per ride rate on
> higher per acre land like Coney Island or Wildwood. How about Indiana
> Beach? If you choose to not purchase a POP plan there, aren't their
> coasters all $5 per ride (or two "gold star tickets")? That seems
> like an apples to apples comparison if there ever was one. Plus,
> Knoebels does not have the nominal gate charge that IB does (not
> saying one park is better or worse than the other, just painting a
> picture here).

Admittedly, IB's property value is probably higher than Knoebels, and I
believe their gate fee basically covers the beach.

That said, IB's model favors the wristband, whereas Knoebels favors the
ticket.


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On Jan 28, 10:38 pm, "Wolf" <bill.buss...@> wrote:
> > And getting back to per-ride prices AGAIN, throw out percentage
> > raises.  $2.50 for a ride on a brand new, unique to this planet,
> > throwback to the 1920s attraction is like a joke in today's day and
> > age.  I'm not even comparing the price against a per ride rate on
> > higher per acre land like Coney Island or Wildwood.  How about Indiana
> > Beach?  If you choose to not purchase a POP plan there, aren't their
> > coasters all $5 per ride (or two "gold star tickets")?  That seems
> > like an apples to apples comparison if there ever was one.  Plus,
> > Knoebels does not have the nominal gate charge that IB does (not
> > saying one park is better or worse than the other, just painting a
> > picture here).
>
> Admittedly, IB's property value is probably higher than Knoebels, and I
> believe their gate fee basically covers the beach.
>
> That said, IB's model favors the wristband, whereas Knoebels favors the
> ticket.
>
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> |\-/|
> <0 0>
> =(o)=
> -Wolf

IB's gate fee covers the gate. Everything else is extra, a ride and
water park pop band is like 30 some dollars. Just to go onto the
beach is 5. and the pop band is under 25.

On Jan 27, 10:44�pm, Jim Shaffer <jmshaf...@alltel.net> wrote:
> The 2008 price list is up on the website. �
>
> There is one positive change: tickets now cost 15% under face value on
> weekdays instead of 10%, and 10% under face value on weekends and
> holidays instead of full price. �I doubt I'll ever buy a full-price
> armband again. �But for anyone contemplating a bulk ticket buy,
> discounts now start at $150 instead of $100.



What is the value of each of the tickets they sell - or how many
tickets in the books that they offer? 10? 20?

Individual tickets vs. POP would best be determined if you just ride
the coasters all day, or the Tilt-A-Whirl

On Jan 29, 7:35 am, Rus O <Rusoz...@> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 10:44�pm, Jim Shaffer <jmshaf...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > The 2008 price list is up on the website. �
>


Anyone what to speculate on what PPP will cost this year? I'm
anticipating $20, which to me is still a good price for what you get
for the money.