DeLorme SA2004 Additional Draw Symbols

"JH" <louatbaddogdotcom> wrote in message
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> snipped

> I thought that when I closed the first map that I had
> those waypoints on, they would have gone with it. I'm obviously not
> getting the concept behind their organization. I'll read some more
> tomorrow but right now I don't see why they make it so difficult and
> unintuitive to find things.

This is not a simple app, it's like comparing MS Notepad or Wordpad with
Word, about the only common thing is that you can write using it. I wish I
could say that if you don't need all the extra features and the advantage of
draw layers, multiple routes displayed, then stick with SA# line or MnG.
Unfortunately they are gone, and most likely won't be back. You can still
find them on eBay, or just stick with MS S&T which is probably the next best
thing.

There is a file named "SA2004Tutorial.exe" in the C:\Program Files\Street
Atlas USA 2004 folder that has some helpful basic tutorials.

If you go to the Draw Tab/Files you will see the draw files that are in the
current mapfile. This is where you control which draw files are written to
when you make a draw object (mapnote, symbols, highlights, etc.)

- The box on the left simply displays the different draw files by being
checked.
- Note the Active column. Only one Draw file and one Road file can be
active at a time.
- Note the Lock column. If this is checked, it can be made active, but you
can't modify it without getting a warning to unlock it.
- If you want to find out which layer an object is in, just start unchecking
the layers. When it disappears, that's the one the object is in.

You'll have times that you forgot what is in a draw layer, because you
didn't name it so that you'd remember (I do this all the time). If you
can't tell what or where the object is, uncheck all layers except that one
and double click on it. The screen will re-center with the object either
centered (if it's only one), or within the screen area (if multiple
objects - look around the edges and hopefully you'll see the objects)

- If you rt mouse click on a draw or road layer, you can delete or rename it
here.

Dan

"JH" <louatbaddogdotcom> wrote in message
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> Don,
>
> I'm actually starting to get it from reading your explanations. I did
> look at the tutorial but it was a little too simplistic. What I do
> like about the program is that the draw files are separate from the
> map files, allowing me to use them with any map file. I'm not sure
> why I would want to have separate map files in SA2004 but that may be
> because I'm used to putting everything in one file. I'm hoping to get
> Topo though and being able to use my waypoints (and routes) in it
> would be a big plus. Also, just being able to turn off the waypoints
> I don't need is a great thing.

You don't need to have separate map files, unless you just want to group
some draw and route layers together for some reason. I often am doing
something different and don't want it in with what I call my default
mapfile. However, it might be handy to group them by trips, or something
like that. Remember, you don't have to create a new one and add everything,
unless you just don't want everything in the new mapfile. You can simply do
a "save as" using your default file, and you've then got a new mapfile with
everything in it.

When you get Topo (suggest you want for Topo 5 due out in the spring), you
can use both Topo and SA2004 maps side by side in it's split screen. It's
real slick because the panning and mouse is mirrored in the opposite screen.
You can also control zoom levels in each screen. It's kind of need to use
with a GPS because you see yourself going down the road in 3D. You can also
use their SA10 photo maps with it.

Dan

No problem, I've been called a lot worse;>)

"JH" <louatbaddogdotcom> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 03:11:23 -0700, JH <louatbaddogdotcom> wrote:
>
> >Don,
> >
> DAN!! DAN!! I'm so embarrassed, I just noticed I've been calling you
> Don. The least I can do for someone who has been so much help is use
> your correct name.
>
> Apologies,
>
> Jonna
> Sidhartha Gautama said living is like boarding a ship that sails out into
the ocean...and sinks! The trick...is to enjoy the voyage.

In article <wxH4b.10487$jt.518484@twister.austin.>,
dlawyer@austin. says...
> When you get Topo (suggest you want for Topo 5 due out in the spring), you
> can use both Topo and SA2004 maps side by side in it's split screen.
>
uhhh...you do this on a laptop with two CD drives?
--
Wondering,
Barrie B

I load everything to the HD, the apps run much faster that way. If you can
load one, then you can use the CD drive for the other, all you have to do is
tell T4 or XMap 4.0, where the data is.

"Barrie Brozenske" <buzz.bee@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> In article <wxH4b.10487$jt.518484@twister.austin.>,
> dlawyer@austin. says...
> > When you get Topo (suggest you want for Topo 5 due out in the spring),
you
> > can use both Topo and SA2004 maps side by side in it's split screen.
> >
> uhhh...you do this on a laptop with two CD drives?
> --
> Wondering,
> Barrie B

The T4 data for a region is less than 600MB a region if that helps. If your
laptop is pretty new, you might consider getting a USB2 external HD. If you
don't have a USB2 port, you can get a PC card. The HD is handy form backups
and installing software that you might use on a desktop and the laptop.

Dan

"Barrie Brozenske" <buzz.bee@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> In article <iam7lvob0sout49i5ik1r90cie3v0mid0t@>,
> lnoble30@ says...
> > >uhhh...you do this on a laptop with two CD drives?
> >
> > No! You put your data CD in your drive and run setup on that drive.
> > That will load the map data to your hard drive.
> >
> >
> OK...thanks! No room to do that on my HD.
> --
> Regards,
> Barrie B

In article <R7S4b.29087$_B.1624540@twister.austin.>,
dlawyer@austin. says...
> The T4 data for a region is less than 600MB a region if that helps. If your
> laptop is pretty new, you might consider getting a USB2 external HD.
>
Thanks Dan. I have such a hard drive, but just use it for backups. I
find I don't really like attaching a lot of stuff to the computer
for regular use...it never gets attached, then you need it and it's a PIA
to go get it, set it up.

The CD just stores in the CD drive ready to use whenever I want. Maybe I
oughta get some of the 8GB of pictures off the machine and onto the
backup hard drive though..... <g>
--
Regards,
Barrie B

>I have version 6 and 7. Both have an extract utility program for copying
>data to the hard disk.

Same here, and the extract program allows you to copy all map data or just
specific areas. SA2003, AAAM&G and MS S&T all reside on my hard drive.

I completely agree with you on this, it is a bit of a pain, and have sent in
an enhancement request for it. Wouldn't hurt for anyone wanting this to
turn it in. In the meantime, use the map tags for the finds, and then go to
the draw where you can move them around, convert the ones you want to
mapnotes, remove the ones you don't want (individually or all at once), and
add other info to the mapnote.

Last year I asked for the ability to convert map tags from the find to a
mapnote without having to copy the info. That did get into SA2004 as the rt
mouse "Copy to Draw Object" option, so they do listen. I also asked for
the select arrow to be able to lasso more than one draw object and perform
the same action on all of them. That also is in 2004, though I don't think
they advertised it.

Dan

"cg" <cgrams007@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:49:42 GMT, "Dan Lawyer" <dlawyer@austin.>
> wrote:
>
> >If you go to the Draw Tab/Files you will see the draw files that are in
the
> >current mapfile. This is where you control which draw files are written
to
> >when you make a draw object (mapnote, symbols, highlights, etc.)
>
> While I'm not particularly fond of the "look and feel" I've become
> accustom to it. So I'm not complaining about that. Ok, that's out of
> the way.
>
> I've used the layers feature often and with good end results. I like
> the feature but I find using map notes in conjunction with the "Find"
> feature rather clunky.
>
> The minute I switch to the "Find" windows I've lost the little arrow
> that allows me to move the map notes around. For instance, if I'm
> looking for camp grounds in an area I like to use map notes to mark
> those found. Often I have to move them out of each other's way so
> they can be read. Just as frequently they map notes need to be moved
> so they don't overlay roads or other map features I'd like to be able
> to see. So then I have to go back to the "Draw" tab and reselect the
> little arrow.
>
> Why not just make that an option on the pop-up menu. I can use that
> menu to edit or delete a map note. Why not allow me to also move a
> map note using the same technique?
>
> --
> cg

Turn it in to sales@delorme.com . The more folks that turn in an
enhancement request the more chances we'll get it. Except for the new
mapdata for SA7-9, don't think that one will fly, but it might be worth a
try;>)

Dan


"cg" <cgrams007@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:41:37 GMT, "Dan Lawyer" <dlawyer@austin.>
> wrote:
>
> >I completely agree with you on this, it is a bit of a pain, and have sent
in
> >an enhancement request for it. Wouldn't hurt for anyone wanting this to
> >turn it in. In the meantime, use the map tags for the finds, and then go
to
> >the draw where you can move them around, convert the ones you want to
> >mapnotes, remove the ones you don't want (individually or all at once),
and
> >add other info to the mapnote.
> >
> >Last year I asked for the ability to convert map tags from the find to a
> >mapnote without having to copy the info. That did get into SA2004 as the
rt
> >mouse "Copy to Draw Object" option, so they do listen. I also asked for
> >the select arrow to be able to lasso more than one draw object and
perform
> >the same action on all of them. That also is in 2004, though I don't
think
> >they advertised it.
>
> I'd be more than happy to submit it. Is there a "best" place to send
> the suggestion? If you've already provided that information, I hope
> you will excuse my request of you.
>
> --
> cg