C and E trains

On Aug 9, 11:41 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@> wrote:
> <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:24530988-ed6d-47cb-beab-e4d37fdfcf62@2g2000hsn..com...
> On Aug 8, 11:31 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@> wrote:
>
> > Why does the C & E still run only the oldest trains on their service,
> > after
> > all these cabs go back to the 1960s?
>
> What's wrong with the cars?
>
> Old looking, boring, and from an artist's viewpoint and as a rail fan It
> would be nice to
> see newer cars at last.

Railroads are not run for the pleasure of railfans.

"Vince" <vpilutis@> wrote in message
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> Old looking, boring, and from an artist's viewpoint and as a rail fan It
> would be nice to
> see newer cars at last.

IIWKOTF, you could have all the lousy new R160s you want on the C.

What you're looking for, obviously is Performance art -- You could
especially enjoy them when they break down or the airconditioning conks.
Maybe having one die at 42nd street blocking the E and the C is great art in
that sense, but I suspect they'd be a welcome as an R or an N diverted to
the Brighton Line in rush hour because a train of R160s has tanked near or
at 36th Street . . . On second thought, an R diverted to the Q line is
Performance Art as well.

The other thing you can enjoy on the new R160s is to get to stand rather
than sit -- even on late nights.

Cheers,
Jim Guthrie

In article <489f3a08$0$13876$8d2e0cab@news.newsgroup-binaries.com>,
"Ed\(NY\)" <ebny@> wrote:

> Frankly, I much prefer the R-32's because you don't have to listen to those
> inane automated announcements.

The automated announcements are, more often than not, the only clearly
audible voices you ever hear on the subway PA systems.

--
"Drop the One Ring! Drop it NOW!"
- Jack Bauer in 'Lord of the Rings'

>
> The automated announcements are, more often than not, the only clearly
> audible voices you ever hear on the subway PA systems.

Good for stations announcements -- a clear improvement.

But emergencies and delays? The conductor just keys through the menu.
Sometimes, you'll get the entire litany repeated 2-3 times sitting out in
the middle of the Manhattan Bridge.

At least with live announcements, sometimes the conductor leaves the mic key
open while the **real** reason for the delay is overheard <g>.

Cheers,
Jim Guthrie

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@> wrote in message
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> On Aug 9, 11:41 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@> wrote:
>> <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:24530988-ed6d-47cb-beab-e4d37fdfcf62@2g2000hsn..com...
>> On Aug 8, 11:31 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@> wrote:
>>
>> > Why does the C & E still run only the oldest trains on their service,
>> > after
>> > all these cabs go back to the 1960s?
>>
>> What's wrong with the cars?
>>
>> Old looking, boring, and from an artist's viewpoint and as a rail fan It
>> would be nice to
>> see newer cars at last.
>
> Railroads are not run for the pleasure of railfans.


Maybe not but its just plain silly to put all old trains on TWO lines

"J.R.Guthrie" <jguthrie@pipeline.com> wrote in message
news:OoSdnfL5jI2KbQPVnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> "Vince" <vpilutis@> wrote in message
> news:489e6367$0$29513$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>> Old looking, boring, and from an artist's viewpoint and as a rail fan It
>> would be nice to
>> see newer cars at last.
>
> IIWKOTF, you could have all the lousy new R160s you want on the C.
>
> What you're looking for, obviously is Performance art -- You could
> especially enjoy them when they break down or the airconditioning conks.
> Maybe having one die at 42nd street blocking the E and the C is great art
> in that sense, but I suspect they'd be a welcome as an R or an N diverted
> to the Brighton Line in rush hour because a train of R160s has tanked near
> or at 36th Street . . . On second thought, an R diverted to the Q line is
> Performance Art as well.
>
> The other thing you can enjoy on the new R160s is to get to stand rather
> than sit -- even on late nights.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Guthrie
>

Don't put words in my mouth I was talking about NEWER cars not brand new
cars and besides
today after the D was to go on the 8th Ave between West 4th and 59th it went
the regular route.
When I got upstairs a NEWER E did pull in, I looked and said to myself: "For
me?"

In article <qdSdnd8oJrLmSz3VnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
"J.R.Guthrie" <jguthrie@pipeline.com> wrote:

> >
> > The automated announcements are, more often than not, the only clearly
> > audible voices you ever hear on the subway PA systems.
>
> Good for stations announcements -- a clear improvement.
>
> But emergencies and delays? The conductor just keys through the menu.
> Sometimes, you'll get the entire litany repeated 2-3 times sitting out in
> the middle of the Manhattan Bridge.
>
> At least with live announcements, sometimes the conductor leaves the mic key
> open while the **real** reason for the delay is overheard <g>.

Still, I almost never hear a clear, concise 'live' announcement from a
conductor. Especially on the F, which is the line I travel most often.

--
"Drop the One Ring! Drop it NOW!"
- Jack Bauer in 'Lord of the Rings'

"Joseph D. Korman" <joe...@> wrote:
> Until about 10 or so years ago, the conductor just had to look out the cab
> window to make sure he was in front of the board. But one wasn't paying
> attention and opened either the wrong side or wasn't lined up and opened
> anyway. It was after that they instituted the point to the board, then
> open the doors process.

The pointing rule was instituted after NYC Transit officials observed
the operations of subways in Japan.

Jimmy