Block the Box tickets

19th June 2008, 09:26 AM

The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.

Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
time.

Chris

19th June 2008, 09:46 AM

On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
<chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> time.

There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?

19th June 2008, 09:47 AM

On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > time.
>
> There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?

Only police officers could issue the tickets.

Chris

19th June 2008, 10:07 AM

On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
<chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > > time.
>
> > There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> > couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> Only police officers could issue the tickets.

So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
if they can't write tickets?

19th June 2008, 01:08 PM

On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
>
>
> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > > > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > > > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > > > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > > > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > > > time.
>
> > > There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> > > couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> > Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>
> So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
> if they can't write tickets?

The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
summonses for moving violations.

Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
violations? It happens all the time.

Chris

19th June 2008, 03:30 PM

On Jun 19, 2:08 pm, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
<chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > > > > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > > > > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > > > > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > > > > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > > > > time.
>
> > > > There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> > > > couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> > > Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>
> > So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
> > if they can't write tickets?
>
> The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
> violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
> summonses for moving violations.
>
> Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
> violations? It happens all the time.

And what, the MTA pays a fine to the city? The bus driver's license is
suspended, so they get to hire a temp bus driver?

19th June 2008, 03:33 PM

On Jun 19, 3:49 pm, "Joseph D. Korman" <joe...@**************> wrote:
> chris.linthomp...@********** wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 2:41 pm, "Joseph D. Korman" <joe...@**************> wrote:
>
> >>chris.linthomp...@********** wrote:
>
> >>>On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> >>>><chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> >>>>>><chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> >>>>>>>enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> >>>>>>>gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> >>>>>>>intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> >>>>>>>Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> >>>>>>>time.
>
> >>>>>>There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> >>>>>>couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> >>>>>Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>
> >>>>So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
> >>>>if they can't write tickets?
>
> >>>The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
> >>>violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
> >>>summonses for moving violations.
>
> >>>Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
> >>>violations? It happens all the time.
>
> >>>Chris
>
> >>Buses should have a way of clearing the signals as they approach the
> >>intersection. Bus lanes should be kept clear of all traffic, except
> >>cars making right turns at that corner.
>
> > But right now, buses have no way of changing signals as they approach
> > an intersection. (By the way, I think that's a really bad idea, as it
> > will lead to speeding by buses and maniacs tailgating them).
>
> Why is it bad? If the driver pushes a button on his dashboard and it
> sets the signal green for his direction, how is that going to make him
> speed? If the stop is near side, he'll only activate it as he boards
> the last passenger. If the stop is far side, he can hold the light
> green until he crosses. If a few cars get through too, that's OK.

There go the timed lights on the avenues. I've sometimes made it from
14th to 72nd without ever stopping (up Tenth, across 59th, up West
End).

19th June 2008, 03:56 PM

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2:08 pm, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
>> On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>>> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>>>>> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
>>>>>> The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
>>>>>> enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
>>>>>> gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
>>>>>> intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>>>>>> Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
>>>>>> time.
>>>>> There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
>>>>> couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>>>> Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>>> So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
>>> if they can't write tickets?
>> The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
>> violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
>> summonses for moving violations.
>>
>> Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
>> violations? It happens all the time.
>
> And what, the MTA pays a fine to the city? The bus driver's license is
> suspended, so they get to hire a temp bus driver?

And while his union rep tries to work out a deal, he's suspended with pay!

19th June 2008, 04:04 PM

On Jun 19, 4:30 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2:08 pm, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
>
>
> <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > > > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > > > > > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > > > > > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > > > > > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > > > > > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > > > > > time.
>
> > > > > There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> > > > > couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> > > > Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>
> > > So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
> > > if they can't write tickets?
>
> > The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
> > violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
> > summonses for moving violations.
>
> > Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
> > violations? It happens all the time.
>
> And what, the MTA pays a fine to the city? The bus driver's license is
> suspended, so they get to hire a temp bus driver?

The driver pays the fine and gets the points on the license.

Chris

19th June 2008, 09:36 PM

On Jun 19, 5:04 pm, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
<chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 4:30 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 19, 2:08 pm, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > On Jun 19, 11:07 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 10:47 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 19, 10:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 19, 10:26 am, "chris.linthomp...@**********"
>
> > > > > > <chris.linthomp...@**********> wrote:
> > > > > > > The NY City Council is urging passage of a bill to allow traffic
> > > > > > > enforcement agents to issue tickets for "Blocking the Box" or causing
> > > > > > > gridlock. I've seen those agents wave enough traffic into an
> > > > > > > intersection to cause gridlock, but that's neither here no there.
>
> > > > > > > Should buses be ticketed for blocking the box? It happens all the
> > > > > > > time.
>
> > > > > > There have been "block the box" fine signs up for years -- if they
> > > > > > couldn't issue tickets for it, how was it enforced?
>
> > > > > Only police officers could issue the tickets.
>
> > > > So what's a "traffic enforcement agent"? How do they enforce traffic
> > > > if they can't write tickets?
>
> > > The Dept. of Traffic agents could only issue summonses for parking
> > > violations. Only NYPD or other peace officers were allowed to issues
> > > summonses for moving violations.
>
> > > Back to the original question: should buses be ticketed for gridlock
> > > violations? It happens all the time.
>
> > And what, the MTA pays a fine to the city? The bus driver's license is
> > suspended, so they get to hire a temp bus driver?
>
> The driver pays the fine and gets the points on the license.

And he can still drive a bus with point after point?